Tivo and E*. Talk about patent laws and the court system

[msmith198025]

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-net...tivo-vs-e.html

I figured I would help the mods at Satguys out and give them a place to direct people to discuss this case if they so choose.

Anyway, for our good members here, what are your thoughts on this?

[msmith198025]

I see that Rocky put in a link to here. We appreciate the support by satguys

To the members there, feel free to join in on (or start) the discussion, we are glad to have you.

[vurbano]

The discussion isnt allowed at satguys???

[msmith198025]

The discussion isnt allowed at satguys???

Of course it is.

I simply gave them the option to move the more politically biased posts to here. Or direct in any case. They cant move them.

Juat wanted to give posters the option is all

[vurbano]

I hope Tivo gets that theif Charlie Ergen thrown in jail.

[msmith198025]

I hope Tivo gets that theif Charlie Ergen thrown in jail.

For this? Nah.

I do think that E* should end up paying whatever "damages" that they owe however.

Better that than turn off the DVRs and lose all of those subs

[vurbano]

Ouch

[benjamin franklin]

For this? Nah.

I do think that E* should end up paying whatever "damages" that they owe however.

Better that than turn off the DVRs and lose all of those subs

Here are the damages, roughly:
$104M originally awarded
$103M more just awarded, plus a little interest
$300M (at least) in imputed sanctions, plus interest
$2.25/DVR/month minimum forever = $200M per year

Charlie will never face this music. Tivo is owed it all. I expect Tivo will move to shut down 7 million DVRs, and Dish customers will be left stroking their impotent equipment.

[msmith198025]

Do you have a link to the damages being imposed? Some of those do not sound correct

[cybok0]

For this? Nah.

I do think that E* should end up paying whatever "damages" that they owe however.

Better that than turn off the DVRs and lose all of those subs

Turn them all off. Tivo is the king of DVRs.

[Bob Haller]

Here are the damages, roughly:
$104M originally awarded
$103M more just awarded, plus a little interest
$300M (at least) in imputed sanctions, plus interest
$2.25/DVR/month minimum forever = $200M per year

Charlie will never face this music. Tivo is owed it all. I expect Tivo will move to shut down 7 million DVRs, and Dish customers will be left stroking their impotent equipment.

wonder if any of this effects the dish DVR PAL for OTA TV?


if E is unabl;e to settle for whatever reason I wonder how many subs E would lose?

[msmith198025]

if E is unabl;e to settle for whatever reason I wonder how many subs E would lose?

My guess would be quite a few.

Of course you have some who have no idea what is going on, and wont until(if) something happens. I guess then it would depend on what E* did to satisfy them

[HDRoberts]

Turn them all off. Tivo is the king of DVRs.

Having tried Tivo, the Dish VIP line kills. Plus, don't get me started on the "bleep-bloop" noises. Plus, the $13/month fee is crazy.

Just on a political side, patents are meant to encourage innovation by ensuring a profit from an invention. Seems to me, patents have discourage innovation in many cases. Simply patent an idea, then sue anyone who actually develops the technology. Dish DVRs (after the Dishplayer, at least), were pretty innovative.

Also, I don't think the courts (and their lawyers) are set up handle modern patent issues. Look at the Dish case. Hardware that doesn't infringe, software that did. Can you then write new software, have the exact same looking product, and then not infringe? Seems to me, yes, but the judge, sticking to standard terminology in his judgment seemed to say no. Now he is sticking to his ruling (because no judge wants to be overturned, particularly by himself). Seems a panel of experts might be better judges in this matter.

[msmith198025]

Just on a political side, patents are meant to encourage innovation by ensuring a profit from an invention. Seems to me, patents have discourage innovation in many cases. Simply patent an idea, then sue anyone who actually develops the technology. Dish DVRs (after the Dishplayer, at least), were pretty innovative.

On the other hand, license the patent, do not get sued.

I do agree that patents may have stifled competition in some cases, I would guess that it has driven it in many more

[cybok0]

]Having tried Tivo, the Dish VIP line kills. Plus, don't get me started on the "bleep-bloop" noises. Plus, the $13/month fee is crazy. [/B]

Just on a political side, patents are meant to encourage innovation by ensuring a profit from an invention. Seems to me, patents have discourage innovation in many cases. Simply patent an idea, then sue anyone who actually develops the technology. Dish DVRs (after the Dishplayer, at least), were pretty innovative.

Also, I don't think the courts (and their lawyers) are set up handle modern patent issues. Look at the Dish case. Hardware that doesn't infringe, software that did. Can you then write new software, have the exact same looking product, and then not infringe? Seems to me, yes, but the judge, sticking to standard terminology in his judgment seemed to say no. Now he is sticking to his ruling (because no judge wants to be overturned, particularly by himself). Seems a panel of experts might be better judges in this matter.

I have mine with D*, so I only pay $5 a month, well that's $5 a month for 4 DVRs.:)