Man throws infant to the concrete in florida

[msmith198025]

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Baby-dies-abandoned-along-I-275-in-Tampa/wKCqs2AyLkuny0wt8C1QUw.cspx

Not political, but I wanted the most people to see this.

They should throw this worthless thug to the concrete from 100 feet up. Sad.

Then he said it was a "dirty game"

Edit: I originally posted that this infant was thrown from a car, then changed it. After reading it again, that was the case.
Sometimes my eyes play tricks on me:)

[Madtown HD Junkie]

string him up by his testicles.

[msmith198025]

Then drop him.

There really is not a punishment that is severe enough

[Madtown HD Junkie]

I might be able to think of some:devil-0060::devil-0060::devil-0060::devil-0060:

[stevenl]

Lincoln had one idea right. We should of shipped them all back.. other then that the tyrant deserved to die.

[Skyhi]

Terrible person. I hope you guys are joking about the punishment. The constitution should be respected.

[msmith198025]

Lincoln had one idea right. We should of shipped them all back.. other then that the tyrant deserved to die.

Are you saying this wouldnt happen had it been a white guy??

[stevenl]

I wouldnt mind throwing him out a moving car...

[msmith198025]

Terrible person. I hope you guys are joking about the punishment. The constitution should be respected.

I think he deserves whatever happens to him...that said, yes he has rights. These types of crimes just make me wish he didnt.

[stevenl]

Are you saying this wouldnt happen had it been a white guy??

No matter how you want to spin it or talk PC.. There is no hiding the fact that per capita blacks commit way more crimes then whites. Blacks are something like 80% of the prison population but only 30% or so of the overall population.

They also score lower on tests then whites. And I used to think it had to do with only economic factors (although that plays a role) Its not the only reason. Just look at all the thugs in the NBA, NFL etc... You can take the thug out the ghetto but you cant take the ghetto out the thug.

[Skyhi]

I think he deserves whatever happens to him...that said, yes he has rights. These types of crimes just make me wish he didnt.

I agree. I'd like to throw him from a moving car; I just don't want the government to do it.

[msmith198025]

I have seen the facts, but I just think it is a bad thing to say, "we should have just shipped them back" in the tone I took it.
There are bad people period, regardless of race

[msmith198025]

I agree. I'd like to throw him from a moving car; I just don't want the government to do it.

I'll do it:05:

[stevenl]

I have seen the facts, but I just think it is a bad thing to say, "we should have just shipped them back" in the tone I took it.
There are bad people period, regardless of race

Just more so from one race then another. Had they been sent back wed save a fortune on prison costs...

[stevenl]

Afterall we brought them here against their will right?

I mean look at all the "black nations" in this world. Find me one that is not a "f**ked up" place to live.. Hell South Africa was the nicest nation in Africa, They alone make something like 70% of all of Africas GDP (Aside from Eygpt im talking black nations) Then what happend? The whites lost power and look whats happening to that nation...

[Skyhi]

Just more so from one race then another. Had they been sent back wed save a fortune on prison costs...

Fortunately they were given citizenship rights, and the government can't "send" it's citizens across the ocean.

Freed slaves = poverty
Jim Crow = poverty
poverty = crime

Give it some time...black people were being sprayed with fire hoses 50 years ago. To think that kind of mistreatment doesn't have anything to do with the state of affairs today is stupid.

[Skyhi]

Afterall we brought them here against their will right?

I mean look at all the "black nations" in this world. Find me one that is not a "f**ked up" place to live.. Hell South Africa was the nicest nation in Africa, They alone make something like 70% of all of Africas GDP (Aside from Eygpt im talking black nations) Then what happend? The whites lost power and look whats happening to that nation...

WTF are you talking about? South Africa was a racist shithole for 90% of its population.

[stevenl]

Explain Africa then? They are still not civilised After how many thousands of years? The only reason Eygypt is civilised is because of the european influeance From the Romans to the greeks... Why would we expect them to be here?

Im not advocating sending them back today. We should of sent them back when they were freed. Its to late now we just have to live with the savages.

[Skyhi]

Explain Africa then? They are still not civilised.. Why would we expect them to be here?

Im not advocating sending them back today. We should of sent them back when they were freed. Its to late now we just have to live with the savages.

Many of the countries are poor, lack natural resources, and have been devastated by colonization. Let's stop talking about this, though. I've learned that arguing with a racist is like talking to a brick wall.

[msmith198025]

Personally, I think bad people are bad for quite a few reasons, and none of those include race. Upbringing (lack of parental guidance), the place they live in, the people they hang out with, ect. If what steven is saying is true, then one could make the argument that any race is basically"screwed up" based on the worst of them

[Skyhi]

Personally, I think bad people are bad for quite a few reasons, and none of those include race. Upbringing (lack of parental guidance), the place they live in, the people they hang out with, ect. If what steven is saying is true, then one could make the argument that any race is basically"screwed up" based on the worst of them

I agree. In the case of many Black people in America, bad upbringing in bad neighborhoods around bad people can be attributed to this country's ugly racial history. It's improving, but it takes time.

[stevenl]

WTF are you talking about? South Africa was a racist shithole for 90% of its population.

South Africa was the Richest nation in AFrica, under white control. The whites held the blacks down to make it so. South Africa also provided food for the entire continent. They are one of the only African Nations not in poverty not a third world nation and not starving.. The only difference between south africa and the other nations? White people

[stevenl]

Many of the countries are poor, lack natural resources, and have been devastated by colonization. Let's stop talking about this, though. I've learned that arguing with a racist is like talking to a brick wall.

Is it really Racist to point out facts? I dont hate black people.

They lack natural resoures? Africa is one of the most fertile and rich lands in the world. They do not utilize it. Plenty of oil, diamonds, gold and fertile farm land. Africa could be feeding the world. instead the world feeds it.

[Skyhi]

South Africa was the Richest nation in AFrica, under white control. The whites held the blacks down to make it so. South Africa also provided food for the entire continent. They are one of the only African Nations not in poverty not a third world nation and not starving.. The only difference between south africa and the other nations? White people

Do you have any sources?

BTW, You missed a big difference between South Africa and most other African nations......Diamonds.

[vurbano]

Terrible person. I hope you guys are joking about the punishment. The constitution should be respected.Sounds like something his scum bag lawyer would say. :thumbdown:

[Skyhi]

Is it really Racist to point out facts? I dont hate black people.

They lack natural resoures? Africa is one of the most fertile and rich lands in the world. They do not utilize it. Plenty of oil, diamonds, gold and fertile farm land. Africa could be feeding the world. instead the world feeds it.

Some countries in Africa have fertile lands.....many do not.

Sorry. You're right....you're not a racist. Somehow I temporarily forgot how black people are savages by nature. :augentreher:

[Skyhi]

Sounds like something his scum bag lawyer would say. :thumbdown:

The way you talk about the 2nd ammendment, I figured you would agree with me.

[stevenl]

Oil is far more valuable so explain the oil rich nations of Africa?

Any sources google South Africa. It will tell you everything you need to know about it..

South AFrica is the 25th largest GDP in the world, and the #1 in Africa.

Congo is very rich in minerals. Yet one of the poorest in the world..

Nigera and Lybia have vast petro reserves yet broke...

Perhaps they need the british to take them over and teach them how to live like civil people.

[stevenl]

Some countries in Africa have fertile lands.....many do not.

Sorry. You're right....you're not a racist. Somehow I temporarily forgot how black people are savages by nature. :augentreher:


Only the ones who are Savages.. Like the guy in this story. There are decent black people. They however are in the minority of their race.

[vurbano]

The way you talk about the 2nd ammendment, I figured you would agree with me.
He wouldnt make it to court

[Skyhi]

Oil is far more valuable so explain the oil rich nations of Africa?

Any sources google South Africa. It will tell you everything you need to know about it..

South AFrica is the 25th largest GDP in the world, and the #1 in Africa.

Congo is very rich in minerals. Yet one of the poorest in the world..

Nigera and Lybia have vast petro reserves yet broke...

Perhaps they need the british to take them over and teach them how to live like civil people.

Read some books on African history, dude.....you're ignorant.

[Skyhi]

Only the ones who are Savages.. Like the guy in this story. There are decent black people. They however are in the minority of their race.

Lol....and you're not a racist bigot? Ok.

[stevenl]

I have read books. The areas that were colonized and while they were colonized did very well under foriegn rule. When the natives were put back in control, either by force or just by the foriegn power leaving chaos ensued and they became poor third world places.

Africa has so much of the worlds resources yet its so poor and so underdeveloped. Why? They are also one of the oldest civilizations...

However europe which has far less resources then Africa is rich as can be. In every nation where black and whites live together Whites are the richest and blacks are in prison more so then whites.

[stevenl]

Lol....and you're not a racist bigot? Ok.

Nope just pointing out the facts.. The numbers cant be argued with.

The only way for them to fix it is to become more "white" dump their black culture and come into the light. OF course the others will call them "uncle toms" for trying to succeed..

[Skyhi]

Pre-colonization, African territories were more advanced than their counterparts in Europe. Colonization raped the land and exploited the people.

[Skyhi]

Nope just pointing out the facts.. The numbers cant be argued with.

The only way for them to fix it is to become more "white" dump their black culture and come into the light. OF course the others will call them "uncle toms" for trying to succeed..

You said decent black people are the minority of the race. That's not a fact or a number. It's a statement made by a racist.

Due to this country's ugly and recent racial history, there are a disproportionate amount of Black people living in dire poverty. That explains your prison stat. Believe me, there are FAR more poor whites in jail than rich whites. It's all about Economics.

[stevenl]

Really? I recall Africa being its greatest under the ptylomey (sp) rule. The blacks in the area (The Numidians) were slaves and workers to the "light skinned" rules from 'europe'

[Skyhi]

Really? I recall Africa being its greatest under the ptylomey (sp) rule. The blacks in the area (The Numidians) were slaves and workers to the "light skinned" rules from 'europe'

Well like I said, you should read further. If you're interested (and I doubt you are :)) I can try and dig up some good reads....its been awhile for me.

[stevenl]

You said decent black people are the minority of the race. That's not a fact or a number. It's a statement made by a racist.

Due to this country's ugly and recent racial history, there are a disproportionate amount of Black people living in dire poverty. That explains your prison stat. Believe me, there are FAR more poor whites in jail than rich whites. It's all about Economics.

Well how come in all the white trailer parks their are not drive bys? How come in the white poor areas, there are not murders every day almost like in south central? How come the ghettos of the blacks are far more brutal and violant then those of whites? I dont recall any white ghettos that are as feared and dangerous as those of the blacks.

Well, I get my minority conclusion based on the stats and the numbers. Prison stats, Crime stats, poverty stats. How come blacks are having such a hard time "coming up" When the Italians and other immigrants seem to do ok.. Hell even Illegal Mexicans live better then a lot of the blacks. That excuse about "we were slaves" is done. They have had for at least 2 generations every chance I have had to succeed. Fact is they dont want to. Theyd rather suck off uncle sams tit and breed and breed and continue the cycle. The numbers dont lie. Look at the teen pregency rate based on race. Its a shocker (at least not to anyone who is not afraid to point out the facts)

[stevenl]

Can you name an invention a black man made?

And what about Native Americans? They live in Ghettos so poor the black ghettos look rich.. Yet they dont have the problems the blacks do. At least not on that scale.

[msmith198025]

That excuse about "we were slaves" is done. They have had for at least 2 generations every chance I have had to succeed. Fact is they dont want to.

I would agree with this. Everyone today, and for a while now, has the same "opportunity" to better themselves. Many dont for a variety of reasons, their ancestors being slaves is not one of them IMHO

[msmith198025]

Can you name an invention a black man made?

And what about Native Americans? They live in Ghettos so poor the black ghettos look rich.. Yet they dont have the problems the blacks do. At least not on that scale.

Umm, George Washington Carver?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Carver

[Skyhi]

Well how come in all the white trailer parks their are not drive bys? How come in the white poor areas, there are not murders every day almost like in south central? How come the ghettos of the blacks are far more brutal and violant then those of whites? I dont recall any white ghettos that are as feared and dangerous as those of the blacks.

Well, I get my minority conclusion based on the stats and the numbers. Prison stats, Crime stats, poverty stats. How come blacks are having such a hard time "coming up" When the Italians and other immigrants seem to do ok.. Hell even Illegal Mexicans live better then a lot of the blacks. That excuse about "we were slaves" is done. They have had for at least 2 generations every chance I have had to succeed. Fact is they dont want to. Theyd rather suck off uncle sams tit and breed and breed and continue the cycle. The numbers dont lie. Look at the teen pregency rate based on race. Its a shocker (at least not to anyone who is not afraid to point out the facts)

I've heard this argument and I'm sure you've heard mine (which involves slavery and jim crow), so I'm not going to bother making it. You're not going to convince me that black people are inherently flawed. I'm lean "nurture," you obviously lean "nature." We'll agree to disagree.....gotta eat dinner before the Cavs play.

[msmith198025]

For that matter, here is a nice link on several black inventors and the things they came up with.

http://teacher.scholastic.com/activities/bhistory/inventors/

[stevenl]

Lets look at Hati.. Under the French it had a great future, then the blacks killed all the whites and look at it now. The only black nation in this side of the world and its also the poorest. Go figure.

In fact Hati was more productive then all 13 US colonies. It was The richest colony in the new world under the french. After the civil war (once france freed the slaves) the nation went to hell.

A similar thing happend to portugal. It was once the wealthiest nation in the world. Now it has one of the largest black populations in europe and it shows..

[Skyhi]

I would agree with this. Everyone today, and for a while now, has the same "opportunity" to better themselves. Many dont for a variety of reasons, their ancestors being slaves is not one of them IMHO

FIFTY years ago black people had fire hoses and dogs turned on them. They were second class citizens....that cycle is tough to break. Progress is being made, but it takes time.

[stevenl]

Umm, George Washington Carver?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Carver

What did he invent?

[msmith198025]

What did he invent?
Read the two links I posted.
You might learn something.

[Skyhi]

Lets look at Hati.. Under the French it had a great future, then the blacks killed all the whites and look at it now. The only black nation in this side of the world and its also the poorest. Go figure.



Here's a great article entitled "Why is Haiti So Poor?"

The reasons given by the author make a hell of a lot more sense than "because thy're ruled by blacks."

http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/misctopic/leftover/whypoor.htm

[msmith198025]

FIFTY years ago black people had fire hoses and dogs turned on them. They were second class citizens....that cycle is tough to break. Progress is being made, but it takes time.
I am not disputing that, but that excuse is made by people that are FAR two young to use it. Unless you are 60-70 years old, a person has not experienced "real" racism. Ask most any black person and they will agree.
I am saying this based on the MANY conversations that I have had with several of my black employees.

[Skyhi]

What did he invent?

You're kidding, right?

[Skyhi]

I am not disputing that, but that excuse is made by people that are FAR two young to use it. Unless you are 60-70 years old, a person has not experienced "real" racism. Ask most any black person and they will agree.
I am saying this based on the MANY conversations that I have had with several of my black employees.

But the situation/neighborhood/culture in which many Black people are born is a direct result of slavery/jim crow. It's a nasty cycle that will take time to break (I sound like a broken record :))

[msmith198025]

You're kidding, right?

If he really is, here is another great read on him

http://inventors.about.com/od/cstartinventors/a/GWC.htm

[stevenl]

For that matter, here is a nice link on several black inventors and the things they came up with.

http://teacher.scholastic.com/activities/bhistory/inventors/

The first one on your list is a myth..

McCoy didnt invent it, he may of made a verison of it but it predates him. He modified something already built.

The second one, Lewis Latiment also didnt invent the filiment. The filiment was panted in Europe in 1878 before Lewis. Lewis has 2 patents on filiments, neither of which were needed by Edison to make his light bulb. Lewis didnt work for Edison until 1884 AFTER he invented the light bulb.

[stevenl]

Here's a great article entitled "Why is Haiti So Poor?"

The reasons given by the author make a hell of a lot more sense than "because thy're ruled by blacks."

http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/misctopic/leftover/whypoor.htm

Ill read it later.. Wonder why the Domincan Republic does not have any problems like Hati does.... Oh thats right they are still ruled by the europeans who took over the area.

[msmith198025]

The first one on your list is a myth..

McCoy didnt invent it, he may of made a verison of it but it predates him. He modified something already built.

The second one, Lewis Latiment also didnt invent the filiment. The filiment was panted in Europe in 1878 before Lewis. Lewis has 2 patents on filiments, neither of which were needed by Edison to make his light bulb. Lewis didnt work for Edison until 1884 AFTER he invented the light bulb.

I have (I admit) not checked all of the facts on that page (most seemed factual enough based on my limited knowledge), but these guys were still important "inovators" at the least in their fields of study.

[Bear Paws]

Ill read it later.. Wonder why the Domincan Republic does not have any problems like Hati does.... Oh thats right they are still ruled by the europeans who took over the area. Wow... Stevy... is that you?
Now your getting to sound like me and my argument with Jon on the ancestral divide of the black race long ago from the simian features and savage traits some still exhibit while the ones with no simian features exhibit more civil behavior.
Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal co-existed in Europe for more than 10,000 years (appx.40,000-25,000)..one did not evolve into the other, but were two distinct humans with different characteristics.

[HDRoberts]

The first one on your list is a myth..

McCoy didnt invent it, he may of made a verison of it but it predates him. He modified something already built.

The second one, Lewis Latiment also didnt invent the filiment. The filiment was panted in Europe in 1878 before Lewis. Lewis has 2 patents on filiments, neither of which were needed by Edison to make his light bulb. Lewis didnt work for Edison until 1884 AFTER he invented the light bulb.

Well how about one of my favorite Clevelanders, which is on the list. Garrett Morgan. Invented the gas mask (which, in it's first real trial, personally used it to drag several men who had been overcome by methane digging a water intake tunnel under Lake Erie; the plant that tunnel, still in use, leads to is named for him), and the traffic signal?

[vurbano]

I have read books. :05:

[vurbano]

FIFTY years ago black people had fire hoses and dogs turned on them. They were second class citizens....that cycle is tough to break. Progress is being made, but it takes time.
50 years ago Catholics were persecuted and the left still hasn't stopped. They are the new KKK. Why is it so acceptable to bash religion but yet blacks and gays are off limits?

[stevenl]

Wow... Stevy... is that you?
Now your getting to sound like me and my argument with Jon on the ancestral divide of the black race long ago from the simian features and savage traits some still exhibit while the ones with no simian features exhibit more civil behavior.
Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal co-existed in Europe for more than 10,000 years (appx.40,000-25,000)..one did not evolve into the other, but were two distinct humans with different characteristics.

The facts speak for themselves.

[stevenl]

Well how about one of my favorite Clevelanders, which is on the list. Garrett Morgan. Invented the gas mask (which, in it's first real trial, personally used it to drag several men who had been overcome by methane digging a water intake tunnel under Lake Erie; the plant that tunnel, still in use, leads to is named for him), and the traffic signal?

The invention of the gas mask predates Morgan's breathing device by several decades. Early versions were constructed by the Scottish chemist John Stenhouse in 1854 and the physicist John Tyndall in the 1870s, among many other inventors prior to World War I.

This Morgan guy is also wrongly "credited" with the traffic light...

The first known traffic signal appeared in London in 1868 near the Houses of Parliament. Designed by JP Knight, it featured two semaphore arms and two gas lamps. The earliest electric traffic lights include Lester Wire's two-color version set up in Salt Lake City circa 1912, James Hoge's system (US patent #1,251,666) installed in Cleveland by the American Traffic Signal Company in 1914, and William Potts' 4-way red-yellow-green lights introduced in Detroit beginning in 1920. New York City traffic towers began flashing three-color signals also in 1920.

Garrett Morgan's cross-shaped, crank-operated semaphore was not among the first half-hundred patented traffic signals, nor was it "automatic" as is sometimes claimed, nor did it play any part in the evolution of the modern traffic light.



Seems we just make shit up to make the blacks feel like that have contributed to the world. When in fact if not for us civilizing them theyd still be running through africa with spears chasing animals.

[Skyhi]

I would agree with this. Everyone today, and for a while now, has the same "opportunity" to better themselves. Many dont for a variety of reasons, their ancestors being slaves is not one of them IMHO

How can you think that?

Everyday infants are born into horrible situations. Single teenage mom in poverty w/no education.....no dad around.....drugs everywhere....violence everywhere....living in a neighborhood where its better to be good at crime than good at school.....the list goes on and on.

To say this infant has the same opportunity as someone who is born into a middle-class family with both parents around and where education and hard work is valued is a bit disingenuous.

[stevenl]

How can you think that?

Everyday infants are born into horrible situations. Single teenage mom in poverty w/no education.....no dad around.....drugs everywhere....violence everywhere....living in a neighborhood where its better to be good at crime than good at school.....the list goes on and on.

To say this infant has the same opportunity as someone who is born into a middle-class family with both parents around and where education and hard work is valued is a bit disingenuous.

That teenage mom should of kept her legs shut. The infant should be taken away from her. And if not that child still has the same opputunity to not repeat his mothers mistake and to better himself. The public education system is free for this kid, he just has to take advantage of it.

[Skyhi]

That teenage mom should of kept her legs shut. The infant should be taken away from her. And if not that child still has the same opputunity to not repeat his mothers mistake and to better himself. The public education system is free for this kid, he just has to take advantage of it.

Yes she should have. But she didn't and the infant will likely grow up and do the same because that's what s/he's been taught since birth. The kid isn't going to take advantage of the education system because he won't be taught to VALUE education.

I wasn't born valuing education and hard-work. It was instilled in me by my parents. Had my parents been dropout criminals, I'd probably value crime.

[stevenl]

Yes she should have. But she didn't and the infant will likely grow up and do the same because that's what s/he's been taught since birth. The kid isn't going to take advantage of the education system because he won't be taught to VALUE education.

I wasn't born valuing education and hard-work. It was instilled in me by my parents. Had my parents been dropout criminals, I'd probably value crime.

How do you know he isnt going to take advantage of it? It will be his choice if he does or not. So many kids even in middle class familes and rich families make the bad choice of not taking advantage of it. The difference maybe the culture of course and genetics.

[Skyhi]

How do you know he isnt going to take advantage of it? It will be his choice if he does or not. So many kids even in middle class familes and rich families make the bad choice of not taking advantage of it. The difference maybe the culture of course and genetics.

I don't know. And you're right, some kids from good families go bad. But for the most part, people are the product of their environment. Most people learn their core values from their parents.

I find it unbelievable that you're saying a poor black kid with shitty parent(s) living in a rough neighborhood has the same chance at success as a kid with two college degreed parents in the suburbs.

[HDRoberts]

I never thought there would be a legitimate us for this, but stevenl has given one to us:

http://www.creepygif.com/images/full/10.gif

[stevenl]

I don't know. And you're right, some kids from good families go bad. But for the most part, people are the product of their environment. Most people learn their core values from their parents.

I find it unbelievable that you're saying a poor black kid with shitty parent(s) living in a rough neighborhood has the same chance at success as a kid with two college degreed parents in the suburbs.

Did not say same chance. Said same oppurtunities..

But what do you suggest we do to give them the same "chance" to make it "fair? ? How do we fix it.

[Skyhi]

Did not say same chance. Said same oppurtunities..

But what do you suggest we do to give them the same "chance" to make it "fair? ? How do we fix it.

Fine. Same opportunity.

If I knew how to fix it, I'd be out there doing it. All I'm trying to do here is point out that your "blacks are inherently flawed" argument is simple-minded nonsense.

[stevenl]

Fine. Same opportunity.

If I knew how to fix it, I'd be out there doing it. All I'm trying to do here is point out that your "blacks are inherently flawed" argument is simple-minded nonsense.

The numbers and facts dont lie.

Im still trying to find a single successful "black" nation.

[msmith198025]

How can you think that?

Everyday infants are born into horrible situations. Single teenage mom in poverty w/no education.....no dad around.....drugs everywhere....violence everywhere....living in a neighborhood where its better to be good at crime than good at school.....the list goes on and on.

To say this infant has the same opportunity as someone who is born into a middle-class family with both parents around and where education and hard work is valued is a bit disingenuous.

I did not say it is easy for some based on their situation, but just because it better in that neighborhood to be good at crime than school does not change the fact that they had a CHOICE to make in which way they would go. IMO, that is a cop out.

[Skyhi]

I did not say it is easy for some based on their situation, but just because it better in that neighborhood to be good at crime than school does not change the fact that they had a CHOICE to make in which way they would go. IMO, that is a cop out.

Sure they have a choice. But they're taught that school is for fools and that crime is the best path for success. Given that this is what they're taught, the choice they make shouldn't come as a surprise.

People are not born valuing education and hard-work.

[stevenl]

Sure they have a choice. But they're taught that school is for fools and that crime is the best path for success. Given that this is what they're taught, the choice they make shouldn't come as a surprise.

People are not born valuing education and hard-work.

And whos fault is that? Again it all comes back to their culture. Its not anyone "holding them back"

[Skyhi]

And whos fault is that? Again it all comes back to their culture. Its not anyone "holding them back"

It's their parent(s) fault because their parent(s) were raised in a similar environment. It's a nasty cycle.

[stevenl]

It's their parent(s) fault because their parent(s) were raised in a similar environment. It's a nasty cycle.

Ding. So the reason blacks do not get ahead is.... Ding ding ding they hold themselves back.

[HD MM]

Ding. So the reason blacks do not get ahead is.... Ding ding ding they hold themselves back.

I tend to think the people that grow up with issues is the result of the environment and culture surrounding them. This causes a tremendous psychological imbalance that has to be overcome in order to achieve the same that others achieve growing up in better situations.

[stevenl]

I tend to think the people that grow up with issues is the result of the environment and culture surrounding them. This causes a tremendous psychological imbalance that has to be overcome in order to achieve the same that others achieve growing up in better situations.

Well some have the genetic code to make them want to be achieve more. Others their genetics make them more dormant.

This same gene can be found in liberals to. With all their wealth envy and such..

[Skyhi]

Well some have the genetic code to make them want to be achieve more. Others their genetics make them more dormant.

This same gene can be found in liberals to. With all their wealth envy and such..

It's environmental...not genetics.

[stevenl]

Sure it is.. We've still yet to find a successful black nation... Even those living in the most mineral rich areas of the world are hell holes. They are incapable of managing themselves.. Even blacks they grow up in the same enviroment score lower then whites on avg.

[HD MM]

Well some have the genetic code to make them want to be achieve more. Others their genetics make them more dormant.

This same gene can be found in liberals to. With all their wealth envy and such..

Liberals and their "wealth envy"??? You are rolling off one stereotype after another today, aren't you?!

Where I come from, it's the Liberals who are the more affluent, well educated and socially & environmentally conscious ones. Not all "liberals" are poor and envious of others money. :augentreher:

[stevenl]

Liberals and their "wealth envy"??? You are rolling off one stereotype after another today, aren't you?!

Where I come from, it's the Liberals who are the more affluent, well educated and socially & environmentally conscious ones. Not all "liberals" are poor and envious of others money. :augentreher:

Your the one who said only rich should pay taxes or am I wrong?

[HD MM]

Your the one who said only rich should pay taxes or am I wrong?

Wrong.

[stevenl]

Liberals and their "wealth envy"??? You are rolling off one stereotype after another today, aren't you?!

Where I come from, it's the Liberals who are the more affluent, well educated and socially & environmentally conscious ones. Not all "liberals" are poor and envious of others money. :augentreher:

Go read the thread about business taxes and tell me if that sterotype does not ring true for the majority.

[stevenl]

Wrong.

Sorry I didnt edit it instead I made a new post. Please refer to the one below your post. I mistook you for HDroberts.

[HDRoberts]

Go read the thread about business taxes and tell me if that sterotype does not ring true for the majority.

Oh, I'm sorry all the Hollywood liberals don't bother to post here. But trust me, there are plenty of wealthy liberals.

[HDRoberts]

Your the one who said only rich should pay taxes or am I wrong?

Since you are referring to me, I said that jokingly (note the smiley), just proving false someones point that ANY other tax system is better.

Here is the post: http://www.sonicbabble.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9915&postcount=39

[HD MM]

Go read the thread about business taxes and tell me if that sterotype does not ring true for the majority.

How can you make such broad stroke generalizations off a few people on a message board?

[stevenl]

Because being a liberal myself I have many liberal friends. Its fairly common by the way most of them talk they have wealth envy.. Someone in that same thread said somthing about "About time those corporations paid somthing" etc.. Just look at the guy arguing with me about what walmart pays its employees.. that evil rich corporation doesnt pay enough...


Also judging by the votes the democrats make and the issues important to them "Tax the rich" etc.. Its not just from this message board. Its from all over.