6 year old girl handcuffed, committed because of classroom behavior

[msmith198025]

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A Port St. Lucie first-grade student was handcuffed and committed to a mental health facility because of her classroom behavior, and her parents are furious that the school took such extreme measures.

Mickey Shalansky explained Wednesday what he said happened to his 6-year-old daughter at Parkway Elementary.

"She couldn't put her in two handcuffs because her wrists are that small, so she put them both in the same handcuff and left marks on my daughter's arms," Shalansky told WPBF 25 News' Bob Kaple.

But a St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office report paints a much different picture.

Deputies said his daughter, Haley, got upset and stormed out her classroom when her teacher asked her to do something. The report said it then escalated into a temper tantrum in the principal's office.

[stevenl]

Maybe he should teach his little devil child some manners.

[Bob Haller]

Theres NO EXCUSE for cuffing such a young child!!

All involved should get a few days off with no pay, and a strict warning against such things in the future.,

You just call the parents, and if its not corrected threaten expulsion

[stevenl]

I bet this kid learned her lesson.

[msmith198025]

I bet this kid learned her lesson.

You would be fine had the school district made the decision that your child was insane for you?

I am not saying the parents had no blame.

[Salsadancer7]

I know that after MY lawyer got a hold of that school and the district....it would be renamed after my daughter. So the 6 year old threw a tantrum....what was next TASER her??!! They called the cops on a 6 year old??!! Was she a danger to her fellow classmates and the teacher.....?! Seriously...?!

[msmith198025]

I know that after MY lawyer got a hold of that school and the district....it would be renamed after my daughter. So the 6 year old threw a tantrum....what was next TASER her??!! They called the cops on a 6 year old??!! Was she a danger to her fellow classmates and the teacher.....?! Seriously...?!

Yeah, I am curious how hard it is to control a 6 year old without the cops.

Again,Iam not saying the parents dont have some problems here, but on the surface, it seems that the school AND the cops over reacted.

[Salsadancer7]

Yeah, I am curious how hard it is to control a 6 year old without the cops.

Again,Iam not saying the parents dont have some problems here, but on the surface, it seems that the school AND the cops over reacted.

It depends on this so-called tamtrum. Was it something that she went screaming into halls and started being incontrolable or was it where she walked out and just said "NO".

I am in not say parents do not discipline their kids enough...because they don't and school should not be considered a baby sitter...but again...CUFF a 6 year old and call the cops...??!!

[wildbill129]

Ok folks, calm down, let me give you another perspective. Many schools have School Resource Officers now. Yes, even in elementary schools. So, situations like this an officer will be present. A lot has changed in schools in the last couple of decades. It's not like when I went to school.

Back to the story. A child is out of control. She is a danger to herself and others. The officer could restrain her, but then the parents would be claiming excessive force for holding the child. The handcuffs protect the child from hurting herself or anyone else. I would think I would never have to resort to that, but I wasn't there, and neither were you. I will give the officer the benefit of the doubt. The school isn't complaining that the officer did something wrong, only the parents of the out of control child. I would be looking at them. That child obviously has some mental health issues, and the parents should be ashamed for not getting their child help earlier and forcing the school and law enforcement into that position.

[Bear Paws]

I know that after MY lawyer got a hold of that school and the district....it would be renamed after my daughter. So the 6 year old threw a tantrum....what was next TASER her??!! They called the cops on a 6 year old??!! Was she a danger to her fellow classmates and the teacher.....?! Seriously...?!:free-happy-smileys- Good one salsa.. I agree. But this is a symptom of a much bigger problem...Its the result of Liberalization of our school system and our communities. The civil sector unions you want to defend. The socialist drift of our country.. The problem you won't admit too. Sooo... Hows all that hoppy changy thing workin for ya????

Ya notice anything different from when you where a kid, Salsa?? Sometimes you gotta pay for all them liberal ideas with more than just rich peoples money.. Tolerance is not a acceptable venue under cookie cutter socialism. Behavior is specified for you by the bureaucrats. You know... the "special" people I talked of for the last 5 years since I've known you.. The political elites. The Progressives.

Hey.. you ever go out and get to see my house at 1355 Alton Rd. I was wondering if its still there after 49 years. Its the one I rented the winter of 62-63 with a couple buddies when I was 19. Sigh....

[DodgerKing]

You should see how some of the students at my school are deservedly treated by the police. Of course, many of these kids are committing felonies at the time.

[Derwin0]

Damn, when I was a kid in school, if someone acted that way, they pulled out the wooden paddle and used it.

[stevenl]

Im all for bringing back the paddle.

[Bob Haller]

paddling kids increases the chance of them becoming bullies later:(

geez untill recently how often did you hear of such young kids being handcuffed?

how did we get along back then?

[msmith198025]

paddling kids increases the chance of them becoming bullies later:(



You can not be serious bob.

[Bob Haller]

You can not be serious bob.


I am very serious, ong term studies proved that....

[msmith198025]

I am very serious, ong term studies proved that....

Then please privide proof of such in this forum.

[Derwin0]

how did we get along back then?kids were punished for being bad

[brownover]

I don't like the idea of cuffs, but school officials cannot touch a kid now without being sued. So they either get the kid under control or let the inmates run the asylum which is what is going on in the local schools in my area.

[Salsadancer7]

I don't like the idea of cuffs, but school officials cannot touch a kid now without being sued. So they either get the kid under control or let the inmates run the asylum which is what is going on in the local schools in my area.

IF you cannot handle a 6 year old....you should not be working there.

[stevenl]

Salsa its not that they can not handle the kid, its they are scared to.

[Bob Haller]

IF you cannot handle a 6 year old....you should not be working there.

this sort of problem came up before, and made the news.

a old friend who has now retired, after working in schools as a pricipal with near 40 years experience said.

there are far better ways to control a unrully kid. he was upset at those who over reacted the last time and remarked such a event just encourages others t miss behave, to try to get cuffed.

all those involved, principal, cops, teachers, parents and their kid need a stern talking too.

school employees need a week off without pay.

near all districts have at least one child psycologist on staff, they should of been called to hanle things

[Salsadancer7]

Salsa its not that they can not handle the kid, its they are scared to.

I am calling bullshit! Why? Because you threaten the child and the parents with suspension if this behavior is not rectified fast.

I will tell you a quick story. I had two boys push my daughter last year which caused her to fall the last set of steps on a stairway at her school. This caused a nice purple/yellow/greenish nasty bruise on her shin that was very painfuth to her. I reported it to the principle and DEMANDED a sit down meeting with the two boys parents as well as myself.

When we sat down, I neither could look at the two sets of parents nor the principle because I was so pissed I almost cried...WHY, because all I heard was this bullshit about "they were just playing" and "boys will be boys". My daughter was 9 and they were 11 or 12. After all the bullshit was spewed, I gave my 2 cents:

..."if those two kids EVER touch my daughter again, I will hire a couple of kids within 2 years of your two boys age range to beat the shit out of them. Then I will go to YOUR respective house and beat the shit out of you AT YOUR HOUSE!!!"

Needless to say, they have kept their distance.

Parents do not get involved in kids lives like when I was a child. I thought my parents were just being nosy and "sticking themselves where they don't belong"....and you know what, I am gald they did.

Parents spend too much time trying to be their kids best friend and not enough time trying to be parents!

[Derwin0]

Parents do not get involved in kids lives like when I was a child. I thought my parents were just being nosy and "sticking themselves where they don't belong"....and you know what, I am gald they did.

Parents spend too much time trying to be their kids best friend and not enough time trying to be parents!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Exactly, which is why I responded to Bob's query about why we didn't have these problems in the old days, by saying that people actually punished children back then.

[stevenl]

Salsa thats find and dandy AFTER the kid is calmed down.. But when the kid simply will not calm down, is a danger to herself or others throwing a tantrum, the school can not simply wait for mommy to arrive to handle the kid. So they used the resource available to them. The teachers and staff clearly were scared to use force to calm the kid down so they called people trained to use force to calm someone down. And if the little whiny kid needs to be handcuffed to be calmed down so be it. Its a life lesson learned.

[Salsadancer7]

Salsa thats find and dandy AFTER the kid is calmed down.. But when the kid simply will not calm down, is a danger to herself or others throwing a tantrum, the school can not simply wait for mommy to arrive to handle the kid. So they used the resource available to them. The teachers and staff clearly were scared to use force to calm the kid down so they called people trained to use force to calm someone down. And if the little whiny kid needs to be handcuffed to be calmed down so be it. Its a life lesson learned.

Again...that is a worthless school teacher. You give them to the principle and tell the parents to come down and calm her little ass down. Again, this is parents being lazy ass parents and depending on the school system to teach kids right from wrong when THAT is the parents job.

[brownover]

IF you cannot handle a 6 year old....you should not be working there.Very easy to say. Some of these kids will actually say "If you touch me, my parents will sue!' Yes, even a six year old. They can handle them, but are in fear of their job.

[stevenl]

Again...that is a worthless school teacher. You give them to the principle and tell the parents to come down and calm her little ass down. Again, this is parents being lazy ass parents and depending on the school system to teach kids right from wrong when THAT is the parents job.

How do you get the student to the principals office?

[Salsadancer7]

Very easy to say. Some of these kids will actually say "If you touch me, my parents will sue!' Yes, even a six year old. They can handle them, but are in fear of their job.

....please. I have had to take care of kids many times...MOST not my own. I have NO skills other than raising my own and my younger siblings when I was smaller.

...so if a kid says, "you better help me set this building on fire or my parents will sue" ...are we suppose to help because of a THREAT of being sued? really?

[Salsadancer7]

How do you get the student to the principals office?

You clearly ask them to follow you or you will "help them". No different than my nieces and nephews, that rarely see me....I watch them and IF it is time to either take a bath or go to sleep...it is time.

[stevenl]

You clearly ask them to follow you or you will "help them". No different than my nieces and nephews, that rarely see me....I watch them and IF it is time to either take a bath or go to sleep...it is time.

There ya go salsa. You finnaly got it. You ask them to come if they dont. You have nothing else you can do as a teacher. You cant put your hand on the kid. Your risking your job. The kid knows you want touch them so they get even more crazy..

Thats why the resource officer was called over because he CAN touch the kid without issue. So he did, and he showed the little brat who was the boss. A life lesson learned.

[brownover]

....please. I have had to take care of kids many times...MOST not my own. I have NO skills other than raising my own and my younger siblings when I was smaller.

...so if a kid says, "you better help me set this building on fire or my parents will sue" ...are we suppose to help because of a THREAT of being sued? really?Have not seen in any of your posts where you have taken care of kids in a school and your way of making a living was at stake. No comparison. I have taken care of many kids too. And I would not last long in a school because I would MAKE them behave and I would not last long.