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vurbano
April 30th, 2009, 03:40 PM
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/churchill-tortured-obamas-grandfather
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article5276010.ece
HDRoberts
April 30th, 2009, 03:54 PM
Churchill said ‘we don’t torture’ when the entire, all the British people were being subjected to unimaginable risk and threat.

Clearly he was referring to WWII and the Nazis.

I also see little evidence that Churchill endorsed the treatment of the Kenyans. And he accurately quoted Churchill.
vurbano
April 30th, 2009, 04:19 PM
Clearly he was referring to WWII and the Nazis.

I also see little evidence that Churchill endorsed the treatment of the Kenyans. And he accurately quoted Churchill.sorry but the dem rules apply. if it happened under Bush then he endorsed it, same goes for churchill. You cant have it both ways.
Derwin0
May 1st, 2009, 06:50 AM
Winston Churchill wasn't the PM in 1949.
His party (The Conservative Party) lost the election near the end of WWII in 1945, and didn't win power back until 1951.

Clement Atlee (of the Labour Party) was the PM during the beatings in the article.
HDRoberts
May 1st, 2009, 07:14 AM
In other words, conservative bloggers lie about Churchill.
Derwin0
May 1st, 2009, 07:32 AM
In other words, conservative bloggers lie about Churchill.
half truths actually.

There were atrocities committed during Churchill's leadership as well. The uprising lasted until 1963, when Kenya became independent.

It's just that the particular instance with Obama's grandfather was under a different PM.
fallout2600
May 1st, 2009, 07:57 AM
Bloggers have been rewriting history for the last couple of years. Its rather disturbing b/c the masses latch onto false info. Blogs should be considered what they are, op-ed.
Derwin0
May 1st, 2009, 07:59 AM
Bloggers have been rewriting history for the last couple of years. Its rather disturbing b/c the masses latch onto false info. Blogs should be considered what they are, op-ed.The problem is, no one ever researches the facts before posting something. Started with bloggers and has now entered into the print media.
fallout2600
May 1st, 2009, 08:00 AM
The problem is, no one ever researches the facts before posting something. Started with bloggers and has now entered into the print media.

Yep, totally agree.
msmith198025
May 1st, 2009, 08:04 AM
The problem is, no one ever researches the facts before posting something. Started with bloggers and has now entered into the print media.

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