Why Fox News is #1

[msmith198025]

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Those who like to bury their heads in the sand won't want to read this. This is about Fox News and its march over the nation's news media, knocking off and steam-rolling other news channels while cementing its stranglehold at the top.

Most of us who live in the blessedly enlightened Washington-New York-Boston corridor like to brush off Fox News as the home of the intellectually challenged. We mock its slogan, "First, Fair and Balanced," and laugh off its rabble-rousing commentators as neanderthal, bigoted, biased right-wingers.

Fox's millions of viewers -- those little people in nowhere towns and backwater cities who don't read books or watch "Mad Men" -- are ridiculed and caricatured as dumb and dumber. They are the hollering, red-faced crowds in the rowdy protests at town hall meetings last August. They are the social and political throwbacks of the Tea Party movement. They are the unfashionable, middle-America, small-town folks who queue up for hours to get a glimpse of their action hero, Sarah Palin.

So why is Fox News No. 1?

Thanks for this post Steven. Interesting read, and wanted to get guys thoughts over here.

[HDRoberts]

Fox's millions of viewers -- those little people in nowhere towns and backwater cities who don't read books or watch "Mad Men"

I think this strikes to a lot of it. Conservatives don't like Hollywood. Where does most alternative programming come from? Hollywood. Conservatives are not watching CSI, 30 Rock, The Office, American Idol, Chuck, and so on. A conservative, whose choice is essentially the History channel, TV Land, or Fox goes with Fox.

Also, I do think there is something about a conservative mentality that wants to stick together. They want to sit and watch people they agree with drone on and on. I don't, so I never watch MSNBC. Heck, I don't even get that channel. The only time I watch cable news is for breaking news, and for that I go to CNN.

To me, the saddest part is that CNN is in the basement. They are the closest to having pure facts, yet they are way beyond MSNBC and Fox, the 2 "infotainment" stations.

[NickG420]

I'm a conservative and I watch CSI, 30 Rock, The Office, American Idol, Chuck, and so on. I also watch History, Discovery, Food Network, HGTV and so on... Thank god for DVRs and 2TB hard drives.

I don't really watch Fox News much. I like Oreilly most of the time...I cannot stand Beck or Hannity. I really don't watch CNN much either. I've said it before most of my news comes from various apps on my Iphone, or Google news on my homepage, and of course here and "The Other Site"

[HDRoberts]

Just generalizing. In fact, you prove my point. You are a conservative that likes other options. Thus, you rarely watch Fox News.

But for farmer Joe in Iowa that just doesn't get that big city comedy in 30 Rock, Hannity it is.

[stevenl]

As I said at "The Other Site" is conservatives love to hear themselves talk. They love to have there opinions and views reinforced. I dont know why. Liberals on the other hand tend to have their views and are more hard headed. They are set in their view and dont need someone to tell them how they should feel, they already know it. Theyd rather watch John Stewart and laugh then Keith Olberman and cry.

On a side note, FOX also has the advantage of making liberals angry thus making them want to watch as well. I know I watch fox, when nothing else is on. It gives me great laughs and makes me sad that I know other people who are watching this really do believe the crap they are hearing.

[HDRoberts]

Theyd rather watch John Stewart and laugh then Keith Olberman and cry.

I think that's a point, too. I always thought it strange that that "Political Compass" test had this question:

"When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things."

Maybe that is a question that can reveal someone's politics. Conservatives would rather keep hearing about the problems. Liberals just want to forget them and be entertained.

[froggigger]

I think that's a point, too. I always thought it strange that that "Political Compass" test had this question:

"When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things."

Maybe that is a question that can reveal someone's politics. Conservatives would rather keep hearing about the problems. Liberals just want to forget them and be entertained.

Conservatives would rather fix the problems but liberals are entertained by telling them to forget it. :p :D

[msmith198025]

Liberals would rather forget the problems and be entertained? Is that a good thing?

[msmith198025]

As I see it people, on both sides, are not making much of a distinction between news and opinion shows.

Dont get me wrong, you can get news on opinion shows sometimes, it is based on the days stories after all, but it is not reporting the news. Those are generally slanted on the respective networks, even CNN. This is not a Fox exclusive thing, they simply have better people doing it, and there is nothing wrong with that.

For ACTUAL news, there is not ALOT of difference between the three.

Fox is simply riding the star power that they put on, as the writer says. The problem is some of their viewers dont see those shows as what they are and take everything that is said as fact, when some of it might be just opinion.

The reverse is also true though. Some of the people that hate Fox, take everything that is said as fact, when again some of it is just opinion.

[vurbano]

I think this strikes to a lot of it. Conservatives don't like Hollywood. Where does most alternative programming come from? Hollywood. Conservatives are not watching CSI, 30 Rock, The Office, American Idol, Chuck, and so on. A conservative, whose choice is essentially the History channel, TV Land, or Fox goes with Fox. What color is the sky in your world? COnservatives dont watch Chuck? IDOL? BSG? What kind of mindless dribble is that? I guess Conservatives dont like Hollywood so they had their imagination cut out of their Brains? I for one will be glued to the season Premeire of Caprica on SciFy tonight and there is no bigger conservative than I. :augentreher:

Fox news is number one for several reasons including fair/balanced and first. But most of all because they are not in the tank for the undocumented, white hating, raging black Marxist that is occupying the white house at the moment.

[stevenl]

He should of said "Most people who watch FOXNEWS do not watch said programs" Look at the states FOXs ratings are huge among the dieing population.

[msmith198025]

I will say, I like Kucinic's style on Oreilly.

Sky? HD? HD? He is from your area, what do you know about him?

[HDRoberts]

Conservatives would rather fix the problems but liberals are entertained by telling them to forget it. :p :D

Care to explain how watching TV solves problems?


Liberals would rather forget the problems and be entertained? Is that a good thing?

Yes, because we can't change much outside of November. Watching pundits solves nothing in the meantime. I can get my news on NPR and the net without the opinion.


What color is the sky in your world? COnservatives dont watch Chuck? IDOL? BSG? What kind of mindless dribble is that? I guess Conservatives dont like Hollywood so they had their imagination cut out of their Brains? I for one will be glued to the season Premeire of Caprica on SciFy tonight and there is no bigger conservative than I. :augentreher:

So apparently you are skipping Beck, Hannity, and so on tonight? Fine. But honestly, you have never turned on a show, and found the message too liberal?

But you honestly think Farmer John in Indiana is stoked for Caprica? Or evangelical Bob can't wait to catch the new season of Secret Diary of a Call Girl?


I will say, I like Kucinic's style on Oreilly.

Sky? HD? HD? He is from your area, what do you know about him?

Have never seen him on O'Reilly. Seems to me a good guy. Quite a bit too pro union, but otherwise I agree with much of his policies. During the last POTUS race, I thought he spent a little too much time campaigning instead of voting in the House.

[msmith198025]

Are we really going to broad stroke judge peoples political leanings based on what tv shows they watch???:free-happy-smileys-

[msmith198025]

Have never seen him on O'Reilly. Seems to me a good guy. Quite a bit too pro union, but otherwise I agree with much of his policies. During the last POTUS race, I thought he spent a little too much time campaigning instead of voting in the House.

I know nothing about his policies, and only saw him a couple of times, tonight being one, but I will say he SEEMS like a decent enough guy. Of course I did think the same thing about the GA gov. before all that crap so...lol

[msmith198025]

Yes, because we can't change much outside of November. Watching pundits solves nothing in the meantime. I can get my news on NPR and the net without the opinion.





So what you said isnt the truth, its just the way you think people on either side get the news that is different? Because listening to NPR and following the news on the net is not forgetting about the problems, it is simply a way of getting the news that you prefer

[elwaylite]

As I said at "The Other Site" is conservatives love to hear themselves talk. They love to have there opinions and views reinforced. I dont know why. Liberals on the other hand tend to have their views and are more hard headed. They are set in their view and dont need someone to tell them how they should feel, they already know it. Theyd rather watch John Stewart and laugh then Keith Olberman and cry.
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As someone who tends to avoid these types of conversations, for obvious reasons, I got a big kick out of reading this thread. The above quote pretty much sums up all of you and the posts you've made. Maybe you are all Conservative Liberals!

:free-happy-smileys-

[markh]

Put Fox News' ratings into a little perspective though. They're big for cable news at 5 or 6 million viewers but American Idol pulls in almost 27 million viewers. Fox won't be putting O'Reilly or Hannity on the network anytime soon. Leno's a big failure at 10 Eastern but equals the Fox News viewers. They're number 1 in a small segment of the market.

[msmith198025]

Put Fox News' ratings into a little perspective though. They're big for cable news at 5 or 6 million viewers but American Idol pulls in almost 27 million viewers. Fox won't be putting O'Reilly or Hannity on the network anytime soon. Leno's a big failure at 10 Eastern but equals the Fox News viewers. They're number 1 in a small segment of the market.

Thats generally true of cable shows in general. They will never (or at least for a long time) bring in the viewers that shows on your locals bring in. They are not in as many homes. Simple math

I will say though, there are several show on cable (not talking just news) that if they had the penetration that the OTA networks have, would bring in a very high number of viewers. Maybe not american idol high, but pretty good.

[DodgerKing]

There is one cable news/commentary/report show I watch and record, and that is Stossel on FBN. If you have not watched his show, it is different than most of the show on cable news.



He interviews people on both sides of an issue
He is calm, uses a Socratic approach, and although everyone knows were he stands on the issue, is is fair in letting the other side clearly explain and clarify their position
He uses audience interaction. Allows the audience to ask questions and challenge points (mostly those that disagree with his side of the issue)

I just wish they would move it to FNC so I don't have to watch all of the graphics scrolling on the bottom and side of the broadcast

[Skyhi]

I will say, I like Kucinic's style on Oreilly.

Sky? HD? HD? He is from your area, what do you know about him?
He was probably the worst mayor in the history of Cleveland.....the city defaulted under his leadership.

I like him as a congressman. Notwithstanding the fact that they're diametrically opposed when it comes to economic issues, he reminds me a bit of Ron Paul. He speaks his mind against his party when necessary and calls out his colleagues when they deserve it. I really like his foreign policy in which he believes the USA should stay out of the affairs of other nations.

[brownover]

I try to spend time watching all the news and opinion outlets because I want to be sure I get the truth even if it comes in bits and pieces from different networks. All of them are slanted in some direction and many times they don't give you all of what you need to hear. Such as: Wednesday night, Katie Couric reported that the TSAhead nominee withdrew his name from consideration for the post because Sen. Jim Demint of SC was blocking his nomination. End of statement. Did not mention why it was being blocked and it was because he used his position in the FBI to spy on his estranged wifes boyfriend. He admitted he did this. Now all of them are slanted and it is only fair that Fox slants to the right because most everyone else slants to the left. If we did not have diversity on the air, we would all be brain dead. HD, I am a full bloodied conservative, and I know many conseratives that watch those programs loyally. Your statement reeks of Profiling! And personally, I like Dennis Kucinic, but some of his positions need reconsideration. In closing, since I have watched most of the news and opinions programs at some time, you get both sides from Fox more than any other network. Just because you don't live in the South certainly does not qualify you to be smarter than us.

[vurbano]

Couric is a little rodent (as Imus would say) in the tank for Obama

[Bear Paws]

I try to spend time watching all the news and opinion outlets because I want to be sure I get the truth even if it comes in bits and pieces from different networks. All of them are slanted in some direction and many times they don't give you all of what you need to hear. Such as: Wednesday night, Katie Couric reported that the TSAhead nominee withdrew his name from consideration for the post because Sen. Jim Demint of SC was blocking his nomination. End of statement. Did not mention why it was being blocked and it was because he used his position in the FBI to spy on his estranged wifes boyfriend. He admitted he did this. Now all of them are slanted and it is only fair that Fox slants to the right because most everyone else slants to the left. If we did not have diversity on the air, we would all be brain dead. HD, I am a full bloodied conservative, and I know many conseratives that watch those programs loyally. Your statement reeks of Profiling! And personally, I like Dennis Kucinic, but some of his positions need reconsideration. In closing, since I have watched most of the news and opinions programs at some time, you get both sides from Fox more than any other network. Just because you don't live in the South certainly does not qualify you to be smarter than us. :thumbup: Well said..
As you say.. often its not down right just flagrant bias or selective reporting but rather lie by omission like what Couric did. This is done on both sides but the left leaning, and the blatant progressives like MSNBC, make it a policy art form.

I too watch CNN and CNBC as well as MSNBC, except Doberman :)
I used to a few years back but Olberman is now approaching rabid lunatic statues for credulity. Like his repeated foul mouth frothing vulgar rant on Scott Brown. His attack on Brown was just name calling like a stupid frustrated kid and not even a reasoned attack on substance or policy.

"bloodied"? :p:gueller: I'm a full blooded American Conservative although some here think I'm to the right of Attila. What they fail to take into consideration and understand is I been fighting this fight for a very ling time. 66 years in one way or other... I have seen first hand the true underbelly of Progressive Communism and Socialism and the the tyranny of totalitarianism that it inevitably fosters in its quest to survive. In all cases the first two methods to achieve its goals and agendas is the education of the children and then the continued education of the masses through the media.. The ones that still resist are collected up and reeducated by "other means".

Listen to any child today and hear what they have to say about socialism and its latest canard for a vehicle for "social justice", global warming. That's the Unionized Socialist education system and the leftist media (especially PBS) talking that has indoctrinated the children from a early age., The rest of the media are just following through. That is why the diverse and balanced of both sides of the debate by FOX is so important but drives the left crazy. The know when you compare the two agendas the lefts agenda pales and can't hold up in the scrutiny of comparison to the Conservative side.

[brownover]

:thumbup: Well said..
As you say.. often its not down right just flagrant bias or selective reporting but rather lie by omission like what Couric did. This is done on both sides but the left leaning, and the blatant progressives like MSNBC, make it a policy art form.

I too watch CNN and CNBC as well as MSNBC, except Doberman :)
I used to a few years back but Olberman is now approaching rabid lunatic statues for credulity. Like his repeated foul mouth frothing vulgar rant on Scott Brown. His attack on Brown was just name calling like a stupid frustrated kid and not even a reasoned attack on substance or policy.

"bloodied"? :p:gueller: I'm a full blooded American Conservative although some here think I'm to the right of Attila. What they fail to take into consideration and understand is I been fighting this fight for a very ling time. 66 years in one way or other... I have seen first hand the true underbelly of Progressive Communism and Socialism and the the tyranny of totalitarianism that it inevitably fosters in its quest to survive. In all cases the first two methods to achieve its goals and agendas is the education of the children and then the continued education of the masses through the media.. The ones that still resist are collected up and reeducated by "other means".

Listen to any child today and hear what they have to say about socialism and its latest canard for a vehicle for "social justice", global warming. That's the Unionized Socialist education system and the leftist media (especially PBS) talking that has indoctrinated the children from a early age., The rest of the media are just following through. That is why the diverse and balanced of both sides of the debate by FOX is so important but drives the left crazy. The know when you compare the two agendas the lefts agenda pales and can't hold up in the scrutiny of comparison to the Conservative side.Also well said Bear! The full bloodied comment was supposed to be full blooded, but after thinking about it I was right the lst time. You think a 3 to 1 dems over republicans is bad in Mass., where I live it is 5 to 1 dems with very few independents. So I do get BLOODIED sometimes. The people in my area DO NOT CARE who it is as long as it says D before or after the name. They proclaim to hate George Bush, but if he had been a dem they would have voted for him. I totally agree with your statements about the Unionized Socialist ed system. Fox is the only chance we have.

[markh]

Fox is the only chance we have.


Glenn Beck, the new Messiah. :D

[brownover]

Glenn Beck, the new Messiah. :DNo such thing as a new messiah. There remains only one and he does not work for a network.:) Of course, you know what I meant. If you don't here it is......Fox will get you the truth even though they are biased toward the right. While they are not perfect, they are much better than anyone else and their ratings prove it. They refuse to line up behind the pied piper and it makes them so angry they can't stand it.

[markh]

They're just lined up behind their own pied piper. If ratings are the indication of better then if you look at the entire TV universe they're near the bottom.

[stevenl]

No such thing as a new messiah. There remains only one and he does not work for a network.:) Of course, you know what I meant. If you don't here it is......Fox will get you the truth even though they are biased toward the right. While they are not perfect, they are much better than anyone else and their ratings prove it. They refuse to line up behind the pied piper and it makes them so angry they can't stand it.

And who is that one?

[brownover]

They're just lined up behind their own pied piper. If ratings are the indication of better then if you look at the entire TV universe they're near the bottom.Jealousy will get you nowhere.

[brownover]

And who is that one?Are you ignorant for real or do you just act ignorant?

[Bear Paws]

Are you ignorant for real or do you just act ignorant?
:mad-047:

[Bear Paws]

And who is that one?
Hey Steve? You got a turnip hanging out of your pocket...:augentreher:

[stevenl]

Are you ignorant for real or do you just act ignorant?

Im just asking a question is all. Who the Messiah is. I mean throughout history its changed so much I wanna know who the flavor of the week is. It also depends on guess on what part of the world you live in as well. I mean I guess if you lived in the middle east it would be muhammad??

[NickG420]

All I know is Beck spent 1/2 a show last week talking about people who wear Che shirts as a sign of communism running amuck in the country. He showed celebrities like Jay-Z and Santana, as well as your standard pizza delivery stoner. All I kept thinking was does he really think Jay-Z or any of the punk ass stoner kids who buy Che shirts from Hot Topic really have any idea of his Communist history, or what communism even really is?

If they don't, and let me assure you they don't, then why spend half a show talking about how this is a sign of embracing communism?? Are there people who wear those shirts who believe in his philosophies? I'm sure... However, I would submit to you that the majority of these people are just like any other of the fashion sheeple you find that jump on any new bandwagon. Juicy Couture, The stupid $60 UFC t-shirts everyone is wearing, Armani Xchange, ect...The point is this is why even some conservatives like myself turn their nose up at Beck. He takes everything to the extreme and his connecting dots on a blackboard next to a stack of books to prove his arguments wears thin very quickly....I posted an example on "The Other Site" of a Beck argument....

"I've been doing some reading recently...and I've found that child molesters love turkey sandwiches....Yes sir they do....Now I'm not saying you are a child molester sir but my research has shown that you do enjoy your turkey sandwiches...That's all I'm saying...Am I the only one that finds this interesting?? Why am I the only one reporting this??"

Rinse repeat every single day...Or at least the times when I am subjected to it when at my in laws...

That being said, I think Fox news is number 1 for 2 reasons: The first has been mentioned previous, the talent involved. Even if you hate them you still watch them to see what they say next. The second reason I believe is because the country is more center or right leaning than they are liberal.

[msmith198025]

Nick I agree about Beck. I still watch his show, but not with the regularity that I once did. At a time the show was more laid back, and kind of funny. It got a point across, and if you agreed or not, at least it was something to think about.

These days, his best shows are generally on Friday. More often than not there is a studio audience and there is less ranting, and more even discussion. The same point can get across in this manner, and you are less likely to alienate the people on the other side.

That said, his ratings are sky high, and its obvious he is doing things the way he is now for that reason. It works.

[Bear Paws]

Nick I agree about Beck. I still watch his show, but not with the regularity that I once did. At a time the show was more laid back, and kind of funny. It got a point across, and if you agreed or not, at least it was something to think about.

These days, his best shows are generally on Friday. More often than not there is a studio audience and there is less ranting, and more even discussion. The same point can get across in this manner, and you are less likely to alienate the people on the other side.

That said, his ratings are sky high, and its obvious he is doing things the way he is now for that reason. It works. He is educating.. Like last Friday that Nick was not happy about. Its important to not forget what these people in history stood for and did since most of our history books have been purged of their misdeeds and their treacherous ideologies cleansed from our discussion. Its history but make no mistake, its current history that has its effects on us today and still very much shapes our futures. Even the Crusades from a thousand years ago has current relevance and impact on us everyday. Just go check in at a airport if you doubt me.

Evil Murdering thugs like Che that butchered women, children, grand parents, and raped young girls and women in front of their fathers and husbands in a terrorist rampage from Cuba, the Congo, to Bolivia in the name of Communism and the Marxist revolution have been elevated to rock star statues by a bunch of ignorant morons because of one picture of his evil eyes as windows into his soullessness..

We now even have Mao Tse-tung Christmas ornaments hanging on the official US White House Christmas Tree. What fine murderous company Jesus finds himself in. Maybe next year we can have the Hammer and Sickle as the tree topper and ornaments of Stalin too.

Kids after the 60s where increasingly thought in school and in the media that people like Che Guevara where heroes and freedom fighters, the good guys.. That the South Vietnamese where a bunch of dumb ass people at the hands of the imperialistic US and its CIA and that Ho Chi Minh was the real hero for freedom of his people.. That Marx way was a better way and George Bernard Shaw was a American hero rather than a Hitler worshiper and a greater Eugenicist proponent than Joseph Goebbels.

When our grown American born citizens think the first American Idol was Che but can't tell us who Our first American freedom fighter General was and why, and when and why the first 1000 people Tea Party threw the tea into Boston Harbor .... we got a problem. So please excuse Beck if his rants are about something you may hopefully already know or don't even care about but most people don't know and when you don't know history every old failed idea that comes down the road seems like a great new idea and the solution..
History may not necessarily repeat but it wants to rhyme.

[msmith198025]

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/fox_news_finishes_week_1_in_all_of_primetime_cable _150010.asp


Fox News was the top cable network in primetime last week, averaging the most total viewers between January 18th-24th. The last time FNC topped USA and came in first was during the week of the 2008 presidential election.

In a week dominated by coverage of the earthquake in Haiti and the U.S. Senate election in Massachusetts, FNC drew an average of 3.2 million total viewers in primetime (Mon-Sun).

Fox was ranked 3rd in total day. CNN was 22nd in primetime and 19th in total day, and MSNBC was 25th in primetime and 31st in total day.

Here's are the primetime cable rankings for the week of January 18th:

[Bear Paws]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-becks-communism-special-is-top-cable-news-show-in-demo-friday/


Glenn Beck’s Communism Special Is Top Cable News Show In Demo Friday
This is really interesting.. I didn't watch the Haiti thing either. Where there was choice most people chose not to watch.


Fox News didn’t air the “Hope For Haiti” special, but CNN and MSNBC did. They added to the huge broadcast numbers with an addition 1.5 million total viewers combined. But FNC doubled the ratings of CNN and MSNBC combined in both the demo and total viewers during the two-hour block.

[HD MM]

I think this strikes to a lot of it. Conservatives don't like Hollywood. Where does most alternative programming come from? Hollywood. Conservatives are not watching CSI, 30 Rock, The Office, American Idol, Chuck, and so on. A conservative, whose choice is essentially the History channel, TV Land, or Fox goes with Fox.

Also, I do think there is something about a conservative mentality that wants to stick together. They want to sit and watch people they agree with drone on and on. I don't, so I never watch MSNBC. Heck, I don't even get that channel. The only time I watch cable news is for breaking news, and for that I go to CNN.

To me, the saddest part is that CNN is in the basement. They are the closest to having pure facts, yet they are way beyond MSNBC and Fox, the 2 "infotainment" stations.

I thought American Idol was a favorite show of hilljacks?

[NickG420]

So now all conservatives are "hilljacks?" :rolleyes:

[HD MM]

I will say, I like Kucinic's style on Oreilly.

Sky? HD? HD? He is from your area, what do you know about him?

I didn't see that episode, but I do know Dennis is "out there", so please don't use him as an example of how all NE Ohioans are. :)

Maybe it was a related topic, but just yesterday Dennis proposed an idea to move social security up to 60-years of age, thus opening a bunch of jobs to the younger.

[HD MM]

So now all conservatives are "hilljacks?" :rolleyes:

Sorry. Forgot the "wink" icon. :) I figured while HDRob was generalizing, I'd add to the fire. :)

[markh]

Beck is educating? I guess he is because I never thought of an Irish playwright as an American hero. I knew he wrote Pygmalion but that's about as far as my knowledge of him went. So I checked out Wikipedia. He was more of a socialist than a Nazi it seems to me. He did advocate eugenics. Nowhere have I seen him admired for anything other than what he wrote.

Educational because I haven't watched Beck for probably a month and I learned yesterday that the Nazis were for universal health care and so is Obama. Therefore Obama is a Nazi. But that only makes every other industrialized nation Nazis too. They all have national health plans.

I learned that the Beatles laid out the plan for the progressive take over with Revolution. John Lennon didn't want violence so it was going to be Evolution instead. It's just funny Beck quit before the lyric about carrying pictures of Chairman Mao. The song was Lennon's message that protesting the war in Viet Nam with violence didn't make much sense. I don't know why Beck thinks it's relevant now, most kids didn't know anything about the Beatles until the Rock Band game came out. It's a song and a good one but to say that it's the model for progressive takeover just proves how goofy Beck is. But then Lennon is pretty close to Lenin and I'm the only one pointing that out. Why is that?

Bear, you must know that Ho Chi Minh made overtures to the U.S. for support, don't you? Possibly if we had chosen to support him we could have avoided the whole ordeal that you and many others went through. The communists may have just found another to do their bidding but Ho did have some popular support. Che Guevera is popular because that's the guy on the cool looking shirt. No other reason.

I also learned that coming to a theater near you Beck and O'Reilly will be performing something, their shows maybe. And you can pay to see it. He also said he is the second most popular talk host behind Oprah. Now he may really be in danger. O'Reilly is a pretty big guy and looks a lot meaner and tougher than Beck and he may not like Beck saying he's more popular than Bill.

[stevenl]

Bear what schools are you talking about that teach the things you say? I went to school in the 80s/90s and didnt learn the stuff you say they teach.

[Bear Paws]

George Bernard Shaw was the darling of the "reds" and progressives in the US of the early 20th century. Later idolized by the 50s and 60s leftist entitlement crowd for his plays about the percieved social injustices of capitalism. Yes he was a socialist and a Fabian.

Like Lennon he was also a gradualist and incremental reformist for Marxist Progressive-ism rather than a Che Revolutionary. Lennon's song Revolution and Imagine was not his only in his conversion to Marxism..

Why Shaw and Lennon are relevant today is not because of today's youth but rather these people influenced our current leaders in our government now during their youth and we are suffering their ideologies today.

What you also should have learned yet ignored, but has been hidden from most of you, is that Nazism was socialism..That is the relevance.... not the fact that they too where for universal health care but why they intended to implement it. Its as if Obama took a page right out of Hitlers play book, Mein Kampf, on the method. This is not about Health Care its about population control. One wanted to control the people and the other one wanted to control the people also..


Bear, you must know that Ho Chi Minh made overtures to the U.S. for support, don't you? Possibly if we had chosen to support him we could have avoided the whole ordeal that you and many others went through. THat's one of those enduring urban legends perpetuated by the leftist Anti-war Kool-aid drinkers with a very tiny grain of truth to it,...

1944 to 47 Uncle Ho asked FDR and Truman for help a couple times against the French. Instead Truman offered the French 2 nukes as help.. Its questionable what kind of help Ho asked for as they where not recognized as a ligament country by the FDRs. Some say it was more for moral support rather than military. But regardless, by 1950 it was too late. Uncle Ho sought and received all the aid he wanted from the USSR.

It was obvious even to FDR that Ho was already radicalized and communist even during Ho's association with the US OSS. Personally I would not have taken up the fight against the French during that time either seeing as we where over there liberating them and fighting side by side until mid 45.

I recommend the theater performance of Beck and O'Reilly. If it is half as good (funny) as the other Beck performances I have been to in the past several years its well worth it. Its G rated and very funny. Most theaters are sell outs and need a encore a few days later during the week. It would surprise you how unpolitical it is..These guys don't insult half their potential audience like most liberal comedians like to do for reasons beyond me.. Even a liberal would enjoy this. :)

[msmith198025]

Bear what schools are you talking about that teach the things you say? I went to school in the 80s/90s and didnt learn the stuff you say they teach.

Same time period for me, and that wasnt taught at my school either.

[markh]

What you also should have learned yet ignored, but has been hidden from most of you, is that Nazism was socialism..That is the relevance.... not the fact that they too where for universal health care but why they intended to implement it. Its as if Obama took a page right out of Hitlers play book, Mein Kampf, on the method. This is not about Health Care its about population control. One wanted to control the people and the other one wanted to control the people also..

The Nazi regime was not socialist in any meaningful way. The government didn't own the means of production. It was very capitalist in the sense that the companies did very well under the regime. The weapons they had were very good, that should tell you the government didn't control design and production of them. The USSR on the other hand didn't have much to show at least for aircraft. They were happy to have P-39s which we judged weren't good enough for us to use in large numbers.

If the Nazis and USSR were both socialist, why did Hitler invade them? They should have worked together to defeat Europe then didvided the spoils. If you think they were socialists because the name was the National Socialist Workers Party then you must think the German Democratic Republic was really a democratic country.

Like I wrote before, if having a national health plan is Nazism, then everybody but the U.S. are Nazis.


THat's one of those enduring urban legends perpetuated by the leftist Anti-war Kool-aid drinkers with a very tiny grain of truth to it,...

1944 to 47 Uncle Ho asked FDR and Truman for help a couple times against the French. Instead Truman offered the French 2 nukes as help.. Its questionable what kind of help Ho asked for as they where not recognized as a ligament country by the FDRs. Some say it was more for moral support rather than military. But regardless, by 1950 it was too late. Uncle Ho sought and received all the aid he wanted from the USSR.

First you say it's an urban legend then you prove it's not, what's left for me to say?:) He who pays the money calls the shots. We would have been the puppet master instead of the USSR.

[Salsadancer7]

Conservatives would rather fix the problems but liberals are entertained by telling them to forget it. :p :D

And when the conservatives realize they were part of the problem...because it takes two to tango...they look for someone else to blame.

Liberals may look for the handout...but good ole conservatives always wanna blame someone else. Yep, good ole accountability.:026::D:free-happy-smileys-

[NickG420]

And when the conservatives realize they were part of the problem...because it takes two to tango...they look for someone else to blame.

Liberals may look for the handout...but good ole conservatives always wanna blame someone else. Yep, good ole accountability.:026::D:free-happy-smileys-

Oh I get what your saying....

You mean like when liberals go around blaming Bush for everything....Oh wait...

[HDRoberts]

Oh I get what your saying....

You mean like when liberals go around blaming Bush for everything....Oh wait...

Oh, and conservatives don't blame Clinton for anything? They blame him for 9/11 AND the current financial crisis.

Time to stop blaming and start fixing.

[Madtown HD Junkie]

A Public Policy Polling nationwide survey of 1,151 registered voters Jan. 18-19 found that 49 percent of Americans trusted Fox News, 10 percentage points more than any other network.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/32039.html#ixzz0dp5NaR3d

[HDRoberts]

Another importaint quote:


There was a strong partisan split among those who said they trusted Fox — with 74 percent of Republicans saying they trusted the network, while only 30 percent of Democrats said they did.

[DodgerKing]

A Public Policy Polling nationwide survey of 1,151 registered voters Jan. 18-19 found that 49 percent of Americans trusted Fox News, 10 percentage points more than any other network.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/32039.html#ixzz0dp5NaR3d
I was just about to post this

[DodgerKing]

Another importaint quote:
I wonder if this was true of the other networks as well?

[NickG420]

Oh, and conservatives don't blame Clinton for anything? They blame him for 9/11 AND the current financial crisis.

Time to stop blaming and start fixing.

I don't blame Clinton for 9/11...?? Or the current financial crises....So maybe the people you call conservatives are just really loonbats to begin with??

[Salsadancer7]

Oh, and conservatives don't blame Clinton for anything? They blame him for 9/11 AND the current financial crisis.

Time to stop blaming and start fixing.

LOL!! Just saying.....:thumbup:

[Salsadancer7]

A Public Policy Polling nationwide survey of 1,151 registered voters Jan. 18-19 found that 49 percent of Americans trusted Fox News, 10 percentage points more than any other network.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/32039.html#ixzz0dp5NaR3d

This poll...like every other poll is useless! LMAO!! we have HOW MANY millions of registered voters in the US...about 142 million...and the sample size is 1,151??!! Are you serious??!! ROFLMAO!!:free-happy-smileys-

AT LEAST give me 5% before you can honestly say it MIGHT come close to what the REAL public thinks....:rolleyes:

And WHERE was this poll taken? Boise....NYC....Philadelphia...KC...Colorado Spings??!!

[froggigger]

And when the conservatives realize they were part of the problem...because it takes two to tango...they look for someone else to blame.

Liberals may look for the handout...but good ole conservatives always wanna blame someone else. Yep, good ole accountability.:026::D:free-happy-smileys-

Didn't notice the smilies after the comment, huh? :rolleyes:

[Bear Paws]

[QUOTE]The Nazi regime was not socialist in any meaningful way. The government didn't own the means of production. It was very capitalist in the sense that the companies did very well under the regime. The weapons they had were very good, that should tell you the government didn't control design and production of them. The USSR on the other hand didn't have much to show at least for aircraft. They were happy to have P-39s which we judged weren't good enough for us to use in large numbers.
# Nazism; a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism and obedience to a strong leader
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State capitalism is nothing more nor less than state socialism turned on its head. In either event, the result is the bureaucratization of the economic activities of the nation. Nazism is Socialism and Socialism is still Totalitarianism.

Your basis for the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

Its common knowledge (at least to this Bear) that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership. The government, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.


If the Nazis and USSR were both socialist, why did Hitler invade them? They should have worked together to defeat Europe then didvided the spoils. If you think they were socialists because the name was the National Socialist Workers Party then you must think the German Democratic Republic was really a democratic country.

Like I wrote before, if having a national health plan is Nazism, then everybody but the U.S. are Nazis. You don't know your history.. Hitler and Stalin where originally partners. The invasion had nothing to do with ideology..




First you say it's an urban legend then you prove it's not, what's left for me to say?:) He who pays the money calls the shots. We would have been the puppet master instead of the USSR.

Please try to comprehend what I say without your spin. I said; "THat's one of those enduring urban legends perpetuated by the leftist Anti-war Kool-aid drinkers with a very tiny grain of truth to it",...

My reference to "urban legend" was the very much intentional, at times through ignorance, parroting misleading false assertions, (like you tried) by the anti-war crowd that Ho's overtures occurred during or just before our participation in the Vietnam war. Where in fact it was more than 15 year prior and at a very different time.. A time when we where in a alliance "Allied" with the French that Ho wanted us to abandon during a major World War.

[Salsadancer7]

Didn't notice the smilies after the comment, huh? :rolleyes:

That is why I added the smile.....:)