One in 5 ex-Guantanamo detainees joining militants

[bruce]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100106/ts_nm/us_yemen_guantanamo_usa

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A classified Pentagon assessment shows one in five detainees released from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay has joined or is suspected of joining militant groups like al Qaeda, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.

The disclosure comes amid revelations that former detainees were playing a leadership role in al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula -- a Yemen-based group believed to be behind a failed plot to blow up a U.S. airliner on Christmas Day.

Under pressure to increase safeguards, President Barack Obama announced on Tuesday he had suspended the transfer of additional Guantanamo detainees to Yemen, citing the deteriorating security situation in the country.

A previous Pentagon assessment last April showed that 14 percent of former detainees had joined or were suspected of joining militant groups, up from 11 percent in December 2008.

Two officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the new Pentagon assessment showed the percentage had grown to 20 percent.

[Bob Haller]

your minding you own business walking down the street. grabbed, abducted taken across the world, chained with a hood clamped to your head so you have no idea where you are or whats going wrong, unable to talk to friends or family not even a lawyer, you held in detention endlessely, and tortured for info you may not even have, half starved kept in freezing conditions, in solitary confinement, occasionally hung from your arms to near death, checked by doctors every few hours, not for treatment, but just to prevent death.

now a miracle occurs your released, and hate the US, some of your friends evidently died in detention.

so your now a jail hardened convict wanting revenge.

is it any wonder we have a problem?

[msmith198025]

your minding you own business walking down the street. grabbed, abducted taken across the world, chained with a hood clamped to your head so you have no idea where you are or whats going wrong, unable to talk to friends or family not even a lawyer, you held in detention endlessely, and tortured for info you may not even have, half starved kept in freezing conditions, in solitary confinement, occasionally hung from your arms to near death, checked by doctors every few hours, not for treatment, but just to prevent death.

now a miracle occurs your released, and hate the US, some of your friends evidently died in detention.

so your now a jail hardened convict wanting revenge.

is it any wonder we have a problem?


Are we grabbing people that are just walking down the street minding their own business and sending them to gitmo bob? If you have a source for this I would love to see it.

I figured this would be the response from some at least. Of course it is the result of being in gitmo, and not the reason the were there to begin with.

[froggigger]

Are we grabbing people that are just walking down the street minding their own business and sending them to gitmo bob? If you have a source for this I would love to see it.

I figured this would be the response from some at least. Of course it is the result of being in gitmo, and not the reason the were there to begin with.

He heard it from his friend's brother's wife's uncle's friend who read it somewhere--- very reliable sources all. :brick:

[wildbill129]

your minding you own business walking down the street. grabbed, abducted taken across the world, chained with a hood clamped to your head so you have no idea where you are or whats going wrong, unable to talk to friends or family not even a lawyer, you held in detention endlessely, and tortured for info you may not even have, half starved kept in freezing conditions, in solitary confinement, occasionally hung from your arms to near death, checked by doctors every few hours, not for treatment, but just to prevent death.

now a miracle occurs your released, and hate the US, some of your friends evidently died in detention.

so your now a jail hardened convict wanting revenge.

is it any wonder we have a problem?

C'mon Bob...you really believe that? These people had ties to Al Quada before hand. Letting them go is the problem, not picking them up.....

[Skyhi]

Are we grabbing people that are just walking down the street minding their own business and sending them to gitmo bob? If you have a source for this I would love to see it.

I figured this would be the response from some at least. Of course it is the result of being in gitmo, and not the reason the were there to begin with.
I wish I could provide you with a source.......I saw a story years back on a major network's news show pretty much describing this. Unfortunately, my only source is my memory......

Don't get me wrong.....I'm sure most of the prisoners had ties to al quaeda - - - - but not all. If something like this happened to me personally, I'd be signing up for a militant group on release to seek revenge.

[HDRoberts]

I wish I could provide you with a source.......I saw a story years back on a major network's news show pretty much describing this. Unfortunately, my only source is my memory......

Don't get me wrong.....I'm sure most of the prisoners had ties to al quaeda - - - - but not all. If something like this happened to me personally, I'd be signing up for a militant group on release to seek revenge.

Well, a quick internet search turned up some results: Murat Kurnaz, a Turkish man whom the government new to be innocent spent 4 years at Gitmo:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3868-2005Mar26.html

A former Bush official believes there are many more.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/19/ex-bush-official-guantanamo-bay-innocent/

If you honestly think that just about everyone there is guilty, then why are only 1 in 5 rejoining?

[msmith198025]

I wish I could provide you with a source.......I saw a story years back on a major network's news show pretty much describing this. Unfortunately, my only source is my memory......

Don't get me wrong.....I'm sure most of the prisoners had ties to al quaeda - - - - but not all. If something like this happened to me personally, I'd be signing up for a militant group on release to seek revenge.

I have no doubts that some of the people we held were not as involved as we thought they were. I just dont think we were grabbing people at random. People walking down the street minding their own business. There was a reason that we took them, whether that reason turned out to be ties to terrorist to the extent we assumed is something else.

And HD, I never said all were guilty. I would guess that the ones that do join, are not just joining for the first time, they are rejoining.

[Skyhi]

I have no doubts that some of the people we held were not as involved as we thought they were. I just dont think we were grabbing people at random. People walking down the street minding their own business. There was a reason that we took them, whether that reason turned out to be valid is something else.

And HD, I never said all were guilty. I would guess that the ones that do join, are not just joining for the first time, they are rejoining.
:05::05::05: IMO, you better be sure your reason is valid before you imprison and (possibly) torture somebody. If not, don't be surprised if revenge is sought.

[msmith198025]

:05::05::05: IMO, you better be sure your reason is valid before you imprison and (possibly) torture somebody. If not, don't be surprised if revenge is sought.

Let me clarify. I believe that we had info that warranted them being brought in, otherwise, why bother. I simply think that what they are there for may not be just direct links to a terrorist cell. It was not as random as bob tries to make it out to be. We werent going and picking up Joe Bob from down on the corner.

[Bob Haller]

locals were paid a big bonus for turning in people who fit a certain profile.
one guy was riding a bus, grabbed, tortured and locked up. based on appearnce alone.

interogators cleared over 20% not gulity of anything but bush refused to release them.

didnt want them going to the media describing what it had been like............

the minute anyone was found not guilty they should of been released, not held for years legally unable to do anything......

gitmo helped the terrorist, got them new recruits and proved what a terrible country we are.

[fallout2600]

Everyone here is making an assumption about how many prisoners are actually AQ or not, when the honest truth is we as citizens don't know.....just saying.....

This is why the whole process should require due process. The world would be able to see the evidence against these guys and pass judgment on America bringing terrorist to justice instead of seeing America as running a Gulag (regardless of the actual conditions at Gitmo).

[HDRoberts]

Everyone here is making an assumption about how many prisoners are actually AQ or not, when the honest truth is we as citizens don't know.....just saying.....

This is why the whole process should require due process. The world would be able to see the evidence against these guys and pass judgment on America bringing terrorist to justice instead of seeing America as running a Gulag (regardless of the actual conditions at Gitmo).

Hey, how 'bout that, I agree. :)

[Skyhi]

Hey, how 'bout that, I agree. :)
Me too. :)

[fallout2600]

Hey, how 'bout that, I agree. :)


Me too. :)

It is one of those fine line's where modern libertarianism and modern liberalism cross paths.... :Shh: