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cybok0
March 29th, 2009, 07:55 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/obama-got-afghanistanpaki_b_179982.html
fallout2600
March 29th, 2009, 09:28 AM
The endless irony amazes me, Obama takes a "surge" strategy to the region, as we did in Iraq, and everyone is happy that we made the right decision.

That being said, I hope it works, we need to wrap up the war on terror.
msmith198025
March 29th, 2009, 09:45 AM
That being said, I hope it works, we need to wrap up the war on terror.

:thumbup:
vurbano
March 29th, 2009, 09:49 AM
Oh yeah that will fix it.
msmith198025
March 29th, 2009, 10:05 AM
Oh yeah that will fix it.
I am not saying we need to stop it. I am saying it needs to be wrapped up (when we are done, and I hope it is soon)
fallout2600
March 29th, 2009, 01:12 PM
Makes you wonder what the real plans are when McCain said 50 to 100 more years in Iraq! Obama is going along with the status quo, so McCain's statement during the election has value. Stuck in Iraq and escalating in Pak/Afg. Expensive price of pay for energy security.
vurbano
March 29th, 2009, 03:00 PM
We were not going to be stuck in Iraq. McCain meant having a presence there.
fallout2600
March 29th, 2009, 03:05 PM
A presence there still costs big bucks.
msmith198025
March 29th, 2009, 03:08 PM
A presence there still costs big bucks.
Yes, but there are major advantages to it. As shown from previous wars
Madtown HD Junkie
March 29th, 2009, 03:31 PM
I find it laughable the left does not use the word "surge" to describe the surge in Afghanistan.
Dingy Harry would have a stroke if he heard the word 'surge' from the left.
fallout2600
March 29th, 2009, 05:25 PM
Yes, but there are major advantages to it. As shown from previous wars

By previous wars, we're definitely ignoring what Afghanistan did to Russia...Secondly, our involvement in Muslim nations always results in blow-back. I mean, does anyone think Obama is going to catch OBL and then just end the war?

That's brings up a good debate, what are the advantages of nation-building in Afghanistan? At least with Iraq, its obvious, but I can't think of anything advantageous in Afghanistan expect one hell of a opium crop...anyone? What are the advantages?
fallout2600
March 29th, 2009, 05:26 PM
i find it laughable the left does not use the word "surge" to describe the surge in afghanistan.
Dingy harry would have a stroke if he heard the word 'surge' from the left.

exactly!!!!
msmith198025
March 29th, 2009, 06:04 PM
By previous wars, we're definitely ignoring what Afghanistan did to Russia...Secondly, our involvement in Muslim nations always results in blow-back. I mean, does anyone think Obama is going to catch OBL and then just end the war?

That's brings up a good debate, what are the advantages of nation-building in Afghanistan? At least with Iraq, its obvious, but I can't think of anything advantageous in Afghanistan expect one hell of a opium crop...anyone? What are the advantages?

I am not talking abotu how it turned out for Russia. We are not them. I am talking about OUR previous wars. Look back, we have had some advantages now, by having some troops there after the fact.

Well, the fact that we are helping get rid of a tyrant government is the main thing for me. Then we get rid of people that want to hurt us? It is not always about what we can get out of it, even if in this case we will get something out of it. Am I saying that right? lol
fallout2600
March 29th, 2009, 07:35 PM
I am not talking abotu how it turned out for Russia. We are not them. I am talking about OUR previous wars. Look back, we have had some advantages now, by having some troops there after the fact.

Well, the fact that we are helping get rid of a tyrant government is the main thing for me. Then we get rid of people that want to hurt us? It is not always about what we can get out of it, even if in this case we will get something out of it. Am I saying that right? lol

Just to be clear, in the spirit of debate, not argument, how long do we chase the bogeyman? I mean, we liberate Afghanistan, do we follow the bad guys into Pakistan? Then, which country after Pak? How long do we police the world? As long as China is willing to finance it? We will not win this without lots of money we don't have...We still haven't left Germany, when do you think we'll leave Iraq and Afghanistan? We need an open debate on necessary vs. unnecessary war in this country. You still didn't name any advantages...The Afgan war won't stop Iran from getting nukes or Hamas from using them.
cybok0
March 29th, 2009, 08:03 PM
I still say we should take all of our troops out of the middle east and let Israel take it all.
msmith198025
March 29th, 2009, 08:25 PM
Just to be clear, in the spirit of debate, not argument, how long do we chase the bogeyman? I mean, we liberate Afghanistan, do we follow the bad guys into Pakistan? Then, which country after Pak? How long do we police the world? As long as China is willing to finance it? We will not win this without lots of money we don't have...We still haven't left Germany, when do you think we'll leave Iraq and Afghanistan? We need an open debate on necessary vs. unnecessary war in this country. You still didn't name any advantages...The Afgan war won't stop Iran from getting nukes or Hamas from using them.

Good post, and something to think about.