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msmith198025
April 21st, 2009, 12:16 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21462.html

So criple them, then stand behind them?
HDRoberts
April 21st, 2009, 12:27 PM
Cripple them? So their sole function since 9/11 has been torture?
msmith198025
April 21st, 2009, 12:34 PM
Cripple them? So their sole function since 9/11 has been torture?

Not at all, and not everyone agrees that this is torture, in the context of what they were doing and why. I can see both sides to the argument however.

I say it cripples them in that it takes away an optional way of gettting information (much needed information in these cases), even if it is questionable.
HDRoberts
April 21st, 2009, 12:40 PM
Well, than I would hesitate to say "cripple." Impede, maybe, but not cripple.
msmith198025
April 21st, 2009, 12:57 PM
Well, than I would hesitate to say "cripple." Impede, maybe, but not cripple.

Fair enough.
Carl
April 21st, 2009, 01:32 PM
Well, than I would hesitate to say "cripple." Impede, maybe, but not cripple.

Fair assessment.
vurbano
April 21st, 2009, 01:34 PM
Cripple them? So their sole function since 9/11 has been torture?
no its to gather information. This cripples/ impedes that effort. Stop playing word games.
fallout2600
April 21st, 2009, 01:39 PM
Dont' worry all you Dems and Repubs, they will just add torture to Patriot Act version 3. All will be fine, your govt will protect you! Go back to grazing! :)
stevenl
April 21st, 2009, 01:48 PM
Not at all, and not everyone agrees that this is torture, in the context of what they were doing and why. I can see both sides to the argument however.

I say it cripples them in that it takes away an optional way of gettting information (much needed information in these cases), even if it is questionable.

Anyone who does not agree its torture, should have it done to them. Then get back to me if you think its torture.

Torture is an ineffective way to get information. If you are innocent and being tortured you will say anything to get it to stop. Its like the old Witch hunts.. We will burn you alive. If you come back your a witch if not well then your soul will rest in heaven...
msmith198025
April 21st, 2009, 02:07 PM
Anyone who does not agree its torture, should have it done to them. Then get back to me if you think its torture.
Like I said steven, I can see both sides of the argument. Difference of opinion.


Torture is an ineffective way to get information.

Ok, for those that think it is torture (and you are entitled to that opinion), and that it should not be done, not even to keep us safe, what should they have done? Should they have just said, "Pretty please tell us?"

Just curious what better course of action we should have taken in the interests of keeping America safe.
stevenl
April 21st, 2009, 03:44 PM
The same way local law enforcement solves cases.. They dont have to torture to find a murderer or the unibomber...
fallout2600
April 21st, 2009, 03:47 PM
The same way local law enforcement solves cases.. They dont have to torture to find a murderer or the unibomber...

It just DOESN'T work that way when dealing with Al Qaeda. These aren't local folks that live down the street!!!!!!!! You liberals can justify anything. :augentreher:
msmith198025
April 21st, 2009, 03:52 PM
It just DOESN'T work that way when dealing with Al Qaeda. These aren't local folks that live down the street!!!!!!!! You liberals can justify anything. :augentreher:

I agree. There are vast differences in local (or even state and federal) law enforcement doing investigations on US soil, versus where they would have to go to get the evidence in many of these cases.
vurbano
April 21st, 2009, 05:19 PM
They shouldnt take prisoners in Iraq Anyway. anyone on the battlefield suspected of killing americans should be shot then and there.
stevenl
April 21st, 2009, 09:54 PM
They shouldnt take prisoners in Iraq Anyway. anyone on the battlefield suspected of killing americans should be shot then and there.

Then dont complain when our enemies do it to us.
vurbano
April 22nd, 2009, 06:19 AM
Then dont complain when our enemies do it to us.
I don't. We found out very early in this war that prisoners were being tortured and beheaded on the other side. Even innocent journalists. There simply is no comparison in treatment.
Bob Haller
April 22nd, 2009, 07:06 AM
OK so the excuse to break international law is what?

how a rogue band of terrorists treat others.

japan had the battan death march, nazi germany the gas chambers........

jeez international law means nothing? in your world??

the bush adminstration who approved torture should be proscuted and sent to supermax.

as a example so other presidents dont do stuff like this again!