DNA databases: Not just for criminals anymore

[vurbano]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/us/19DNA.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Big brother is coming closer to you and I. Soon they will be at your doorstep wanting a sample of hair.

[Bob Haller]

hey if your not doing anything wrong why worry?

Didnt verb support the patriot act under bush with warrantless wiretaps etc?

[fallout2600]

Unless you're found guilty of a crime by the jury of your peers, collecting DNA should be illegal. The paranoid police state is on the rise.

[vurbano]

Unless you're found guilty of a crime by the jury of your peers, collecting DNA should be illegal. The paranoid police state is on the rise.
Next step? Get the DNA of those potentially dangerous right wing extremists. See where this is going?

[Carl]

If you have done nothing, as Bob said , why worry?

[froggigger]

If you have done nothing, as Bob said , why worry?

So what about HIPPA, the Health Insurance Portability and Privacy Act? You ok with that, too?

[vurbano]

If you have done nothing, as Bob said , why worry?
Pretty clueless statement. There is an enormous amount of discrimination and etc that could take place knowing your DNA. Oh my this one is predisposed to this or that, dont insure him, dont hire him and on and on.

[froggigger]

Pretty clueless statement. There is an enormous amount of discrimination and etc that could take place knowing your DNA. Oh my this one is predisposed to this or that, dont insure him, dont hire him and on and on.

Pretty much why I asked him about HIPPA. The DNA database and HIPPA are both a part of losing privacy.

[msmith198025]

If you have done nothing, as Bob said , why worry?

If you have done nothing, why is it needed?

[froggigger]

If you have done nothing, why is it needed?

:thumbup:

[Bob Haller]

well such info like fingerprints and DNA should only be used for law enforcement, not job applications. although some jobs require extensive backgroiund checks and fingerprints.

I went thru some of that with my old employeer to get in westinghouse bettis atomic facility, where I REALLY didnt want to go

a high school buddy walked down a aisle there, someone forgot one lead brick he ended up in the hospital.

the form was 35 pages long. i was happy when after dragging my feet with the form westinghouse scrapped the machines:)

[vurbano]

Pretty much why I asked him about HIPPA. The DNA database and HIPPA are both a part of losing privacy.
Throw in the government running healthcare and it gets more frightening. And then if they take over the companies you work for?

[vurbano]

well such info like fingerprints and DNA should only be used for law enforcement, not job applications.
ANd you think the government would keep it private and you trust them not to abuse it?:free-happy-smileys-

My god you such a good little lamb ready to be led to slaughter. A perfect little potential communist subject.

[Bob Haller]

hippa prevents medical people from saying anything about you to others. hippa is all about privacy occasionaly thats bad for the patient

[froggigger]

hippa prevents medical people from saying anything about you to others. hippa is all about privacy occasionaly thats bad for the patient

Umm, horse-hockey. Hippa created a standard health care identifier for all Americans. The identifier allows bureaucrats to track every citizen's medical history from cradle to grave. Law enforcement officials and other government agents can examine the records without a search warrant. On top of that, the government, and not the patient, makes the determination of who else gets access to the records.

Obama wants to digitize all medical records, claiming it will help contain costs. What it really does is allow anyone, or any entity, as determined by the government, to have access to any individual's record by simply plugging the identifier in the search field of the database once it is finalized. Privacy will be a thing of the past.

[vurbano]

Umm, horse-hockey. Hippa created a standard health care identifier for all Americans. The identifier allows bureaucrats to track every citizen's medical history from cradle to grave. Law enforcement officials and other government agents can examine the records without a search warrant. On top of that, the government, and not the patient, makes the determination of who else gets access to the records.

Obama wants to digitize all medical records, claiming it will help contain costs. What it really does is allow anyone, or any entity, as determined by the government, to have access to any individual's record by simply plugging the identifier in the search field of the database once it is finalized. Privacy will be a thing of the past.

:thumbup:

[HDRoberts]

I'm no way in favor of this, but I do imagine that this will keep us safer than the Patriot Act ever did.

[Bob Haller]

Umm, horse-hockey. Hippa created a standard health care identifier for all Americans. The identifier allows bureaucrats to track every citizen's medical history from cradle to grave. Law enforcement officials and other government agents can examine the records without a search warrant. On top of that, the government, and not the patient, makes the determination of who else gets access to the records.

Obama wants to digitize all medical records, claiming it will help contain costs. What it really does is allow anyone, or any entity, as determined by the government, to have access to any individual's record by simply plugging the identifier in the search field of the database once it is finalized. Privacy will be a thing of the past.


my wife is a RN who claims hippa is so private, will have to tell her about this

[fallout2600]

Britain may provide a window into America’s genetic surveillance future: As of March 2008, 857,000 people in the British database, or about one-fifth, have no current criminal record. (http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmhansrd/cm090327/text/90327w0011.htm)In December, the European Court of Human Rights (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/e/european_court_of_human_rights/index.html?inline=nyt-org) ruled that Britain violated international law by collecting DNA profiles from innocent people, including children as young as 10.

This has nothing to do with medical records, this is all about big police state govt infringing on our civil liberties.

[vurbano]

Think about this a little more. The government has your DNA and controls the medical care system. You need a kidney transplant and get denied and die because your DNA says you have a 90% chance of dying in a few years anyway from heart disease.

[fallout2600]

I'm saying they are using the medicare and medicaid reform as a way of slipping this in with the excuse of saving "paper" costs. Look how it was abused in GB by their police state.

[vurbano]

I'm saying they are using the medicare and medicaid reform as a way of slipping this in with the excuse of saving "paper" costs. Look how it was abused in GB by their police state.
oh I agree.

[Carl]

If you have done nothing, why is it needed?

You guys said nothing when Bush and Cheney over rode personal rights time after time.....
now the outrage is deafening.:augentreher:

[msmith198025]

You guys said nothing when Bush and Cheney over rode personal rights time after time.....
now the outrage is deafening.:augentreher:

I didnt?

Ok, for that matter, "you guys" were outraged when Bush and Cheney over rode personal rights time after time.
Now the silence is ....well its just silent

[fallout2600]

I always though most Americans were in agreement that the Patriot Act version 1 and 2 were bad moves for American civil liberties. Maybe not...

[vurbano]

You guys said nothing when Bush and Cheney over rode personal rights time after time.....
now the outrage is deafening.:augentreher:when did they want to collect our DNA? And determine what health care we could get? Thats Obama son and its far more intrusive than Homeland security measures.

[Derwin0]

I remember when my DNA was taken, when I was on active duty. At the time we were told that it would be destroyed soon after our IRR contracts ended, and was only to be used for remains identification, and never for criminal use.

Yeah right :rolleyes:
Another "promise" broken...
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m6052/is_2003_July-August/ai_111027996/

[vurbano]

I can see that census guy at your door turning into a armed soldier wanting a hair sample. And then comes the arm bands.