Wake up and stop robbing the hope of other generations.

[goaliebob99]

When as a nation are we going to wake up. We are tearing each other apart instead of picking each other up. Example, Konya West, tearing apart Taylor Swift’s award. What the hell, just because you don’t agree, doesn’t mean that the award wasn’t warranted! But this seems to be what we are becoming, a nation of whiners. Another example, are the old white republican guys going around carrying Obama monkeys or saying that they are going to take back their country, from what? The black man? You can’t even pull your head out of your ass to realize that people are dying on the streets because they can’t afford healthcare or can’t even afford to put food on their table because they have to pay 400 plus a month in healthcare costs just to have basic coverage, or the pill that costs 450 dollars, but you have to have it because you will die if you don’t get it. You instead call it socialism and use scare tactics by using words such as death panels. When in reality there are democratic nations out there who provide their entire citizens 100 percent free healthcare and it doesn’t cost any more than what we are already paying today. There are a few folk, mainly white and old who are stuck in the ways of the past, who want to preserve their old ways of racist bigotry and who don’t care about picking up their countrymen and women in a time of need. To that I say, let’s bring on the death panels and let them be the first ones to go to them as we need to get rid of that kind of racism. We as a nation are much better than that.

[goaliebob99]

2009, a year in review will show how sad and depressed as a nation we really are! People can’t find jobs, We as a nation are worse off than what we were during the cold war, And were failing to win the war that we should have been at in the first place, Afghanistan. To blame the current administration as a failure is 100 percent wrong as the previous administration was where the true failure lies. The costs associated with the war in Iraq and the out sourcing to companies such as Halliburton are what spiraled this nation into our current deficit. If things were that bad, we should have had a draft. George W Bush was given a blank check to wage a war on terrorism, which is fine, when it’s used right. The real war was in Afghanistan against Osama Bin Laden, not against Saddom Hussein. I myself have served two combat tours over there and am proud to do so as there was no question that we freed the Iraqi people from a dictator, but the reasons were all wrong as presented to the American people. Time in and time out I see the baby boomer generation making these toilet decisions as where it generally seems to be coming from. Ruining the generations to come, especially my generation, Generation X.

[goaliebob99]

Maybe they had too much LSD during Woodstock as the lack of parenting from this generation has to have past generations rolling in their graves. Instead of giving your child a good whack on the ass and sending them on their way, it’s no no Billy go to time out! I know when I was a Kid, if I screwed up and I got a good whack on the ass, I never did it again. There is no accountability anymore for ones kids, or any amount of discipline and it’s been passed down to my generation where the laziness has gotten worse. An example of how this is has been passed down from the baby boomer generation, is when Senator Joe Wilson yelled you lied to the president. Pointing fingers like a little kid. Dude, you’re a senator your suppose to lead by example! Instead you have no regard for authority, and completely disrespect not only the president but, both sides of congress. Once upon a time, that would have landed you fired, now not so often. What’s sad is your saying that the president is lying about immigrants and health care. Dude, I’m naturally born in this country, and while I’m all for legal immigration, Illegal immigrants need to have a one way ticket out of here, no benefits, nothing. Instead we currently give them food stamps, free healthcare, and let them continue to drain the system. The only exception should be if one can prove that they have a kid that as naturally born here! Don’t split the families up. If anyone should drain the system, it should be the millions of Americans who are jobless right now! In my state (Illinois) you can’t even qualify for food stamps help if they are on unemployment. Those are the people who need help! But if you walk into any public aid office or county health department, the ones who claim they are the poorest and don’t have any money usually are the ones with the kids who usually have the 300 dollar gold chains around their necks acting like balla’s like Konya West. Ignorance at its finest.

[goaliebob99]

We as Americans need to pick each other up. A great example would be to stop buying Chinese crap at Wal-Mart! Request American customer service while you’re on the phone instead of Philippine or Indian support, and if that company doesn’t have American customer service, demand and don’t do business until the company starts taking care of their own in America. We have to be a nation of self supporters, take responsibility for our own actions, and pick up our country men and women in a time of need. Hire American, as well as make concessions for Americans. Support our troops, and take care of each other by providing free healthcare, and hiring an unemployed American. People Wake the hell up before it’s too late.

[Bear Paws]

Well Bob, as a old white republican guy I want to take my country back from the government.
Your the bigot here for using racism as a cudgel on those that don't agree with President Obama.. Its obvious you picked up on the far left's latest battle cry and talking points in their concerted effort to silence all descent and honest debate and cram down something most Americans don't want. The Kool-aid dribble on your t-shirt is obvious.. You liberal plebes are so predictably gullible and your leaders know it. They know you can't debate the facts in a honest civil manner because the facts are against you so you need to resort to your old trusty stand by canard of ending the conversation by calling those that disagree a racist. I'm surprised you didn't throw a few "Nazis" into your aimless rant also.. Liberals like you are so devoid of civility anyone you disagree with needs to be defamed or labeled with some derogatory name calling to establish your low base line on the playing field... So you assume everyone thinks like you.

Contrary to your distorted but popular liberal perception, President Obama is the President of the United States....NOT the Black President of the United States as YOU and YOURS see him.. So Get over it.

About Health care. Your hysterical assertion that people are dying in the streets and on hospital front steps because of lack of health care and are forced to eat dog food in order to pay for insurance is right up there with the warmers, truthers, Hollywood moon landing, fire don't melt steel and the birthers. No one goes without medical care in this country.

Maybe you should follow the first part of your own contradictory advice..."We have to be a nation of self supporters, take responsibility for our own actions, and pick up our country men and women in a time of need".
I sir am not responsible for you if I choose not to be.. You are. That's why we have as you say, so many irresponsible people. You coddled them into loaferdom with your free government giveaways and handouts.
.Instead of giving your child a good whack on the ass and sending them on their way, it’s no no Billy go to time out! I know when I was a Kid, if I screwed up and I got a good whack on the ass, I never did it again. There is no accountability anymore for ones kids, or any amount of discipline and it’s been passed down to my generation where the laziness has gotten worse
That is the visible symptom of the bigger problem but yet when we old white republicans want accountability from you and your liberal politician friends we are suddenly racists.

You say you did a couple of tours in Iraq. What was it you where fighting against.. Not for...but against. Do you even know what Saddam Hussein stood for.. What the Baath Party represented and was. It was a form of Totalitarian Socialism. Much in the image of Mussolini's National Fascist Party.. A Socialist Fascist.. The cult of personality benevolent dictator, not all that unlike President Barrack Hussein Obama. The parallel comparisons are frightening.

I know why I was in the jungles By the jeez. It was to fight Communism, Socialism and tyranny and keep it from coming here like the plague disease it is. Well, while I was busy over there someone let them in the back door here. Now we have to clean out this rats nest too.

[msmith198025]

Bob, there is no doubt things are not rosey. However, you paint a picture of things that I do not find totally accurate.

I do however agree that we need to wake up, although I believe it for many different reasons than you.

In any case, glad you got to post it, dont be a stranger

[vurbano]

We as Americans need to pick each other up.

Bullshit. When did this country turn communist? You go make it on your own and stop leeching off of me.

[vurbano]

I myself have served two combat tours over there and am proud to do so as there was no question that we freed the Iraqi people from a dictator, but the reasons were all wrong as presented to the American people. COMBAT???????? Did you even fire a weapon? Dude Ive seen your photos and there is no way you were in "combat" Were you not back in a tent somewhere watching the TV from the satellite equipment Scott sent you? You even tried to get out of it. Last time I checked combat soldiers werent taking satellite equipment with them. :augentreher:


Well guys, It only seems like yesterday that I got caught up on orders as I was apart of the Inactive reserves. Well to be exact it was 3 months ago. Yesterday I received word from the army, after explaining my situation about why I couldn't go. The reason why I couldn't go is because my mother has had multiple knee replacement surgery's, stomach bypass sugery and to top it all off, she is missing her left cardiac aorta. If that wasn't enough about two years ago my sister was in a bad car wreck and it messed her back up really bad. She has had multiple spinal fusion's done. Finally, my dad recently got taken off of his diabetic pills for shots. He drives over the road for a local trucking firm for at least 18 hours a day trying to pay off there medical bills, (allot of my money goes there too). So after writing this most proud peace of artwork that I sent to the army, explaining everything in detail, spell checking, having multiple people proof read it. I was proud of this artwork as I call it. I finally got an answer back.



They wrote (Not a direct quote but well summarized one), "Under provisions of AR BLAH BLAH BLAH, Your request for exemption is disapproved. Your request was carefully considered and weighed against the needs of the army during this time of national emergency."

So that was the biggest screw you that i have ever seen. So, fortunately I did graduate with my associates a week ago leaving me screwed until i can get back for my bachelors as I had plans to continue on to complete it if i didn't go. I leave on the 30th of July for 2 weeks of training at Fort Jackson, SC and then 3 months of training over at Fort Gordon, GA.



What does this mean for StopHdLIte.com and my duties here. Well there getting put on hold. If anyone wants to take care of stophdlite.com while I'm gone and continue the fight pm me and we can work something out. For now I'm going to leave it to LER as it's hosted from his server.



As for my moderation duties here, I will be stepping down from the dish network forum in late July, temporally untill i get back. For Security reasons I have to give up my moderation duties and access to the staff forum. I understand why Scott has to do what he has to do and I applaud him for doing it. I'm not mad at him or any of the other staff members and I'm very sad that I have to leave here especially these guys that I have come to known as my best Friends in the world (the satellite guys staff). I truly know that we have the best staff here on the INTERNET and I feel privileged to be apart of it as well as this community. You all have been the best and I cant thank you enough for being there every day and helping us shaping and molding this site to what it is and what it will be in the future.



With a sad heart I have to step down and pass on the torch to others while I'm gone. With that said, I do plan on opening up a thread here in the pub members forum fully documenting my trip to Iraq and the year that I will be spending there. right now I'm scheduled for 3 months of training, a year in Iraq, and three months of training/debriefings. For a total of 18 months on active duty.



What does the future in Iraq hold for me? well no one knows for sure. In a true spirit of a free to air guy and a satellite guy you better bet your bottom dollar I'm bringing my invacom lnbf with me and a usb free to air receiver. While I do look forward to pointing a dish at Astra's birds (BBC) at 28.1 E for some FTA (too bad I didn't have a way to get sky digital) My wife and I are considering on purchasing a notebook for me before I fly, no idea if we would be able to get it or not. I defiantly will be getting one while over there. I know that there is plenty of FTA dish's over there to scrounge one up with some rg 59/6. I'm hoping that with that, on line classes, and computer games I will have plenty to spare my time away. my plans are to at least post here once a week and check in with you all.



So with that all said, I would like to thank you all and hopefully i will be giving some Euro up link reports.(although i do remember that hot bird has some decent porn on it) This time I'm allot more knowledgeable and have a dam good idea on how to set a fta system up (thanks to iceberg and co ) This is not the last of me here at satellite guys and I will see you all in 2008 when goaliebob returns, and returns for good! Until then there are some exciting things happening here, as other staff members are working on a project to automate the up link reports. For now I will enjoy my last month's stateside and I will be checking in. I felt as that I should tell you guys first as you all help support the site and it's my duties as a moderator here to give you a reason why things are the way they are. In mid July I will break the news to the rest of the forum and Everyone will be sadly missed. So good luck, God Speed, I will miss you all and see you when i get back home



Goaliebob

[msmith198025]

Did you even fire a weapon? Dude Ive seen your photos and there is no way you were in "combat" Were you not back in a tent somewhere watching the TV from the satellite equipment Scott sent you? :augentreher:

Combat or not, he served. That is admirable and personally I would not question the manner in which that service was performed.

[vurbano]

Combat or not, he served. That is admirable and personally I would not question the manner in which that service was performed.I would. I want my tax money back for all of his goofing off highlighted in red above.

[msmith198025]

I would

Thats obvious.

Let me ask though. Do you do so only because it is Bob? Or would you do the same of any service member?

Edit: I did not edit out your post in my quote. Your last part was added after I replied

[Derwin0]

Where to start...

Example, Konya West, tearing apart Taylor Swift’s award. What the hell, just because you don’t agree, doesn’t mean that the award wasn’t warranted!Kanyn West is a noted racist, no need to dwell on anything he says.
But this seems to be what we are becoming, a nation of whiners. Another example, are the old white republican guys going around carrying Obama monkeys or saying that they are going to take back their country, from what? The black man?No, from his liberal policies. They argued equally against Clinton, and he was more moderate than Obama. The criest about complaints being racist are nothing more than red herrings to detract from the arguments.
You can’t even pull your head out of your ass to realize that people are dying on the streets because they can’t afford healthcare or can’t even afford to put food on their table because they have to pay 400 plus a month in healthcare costs just to have basic coverage, or the pill that costs 450 dollars, but you have to have it because you will die if you don’t get it.E.R.'s are required, by law, to treat anyone, regardless of ability to pay.
When in reality there are democratic nations out there who provide their entire citizens 100 percent free healthcare and it doesn’t cost any more than what we are already paying today.Just your life... My wife's grandmother is in Canada. She almost died because they kept giving her blood thinners. They did not know about a bleeding vessel in the brain because the wait on a CT scan is OVER A MONTH.
There are a few folk, mainly white and old who are stuck in the ways of the past, who want to preserve their old ways of racist bigotry blah blah blah, again using the race card to detract from the arguments.

The costs associated with the war in Iraq and the out sourcing to companies such as Halliburton are what spiraled this nation into our current deficit. And yet you want them to spend even more, creating a bigger deficit???
we should have had a draft.A draft call from you? You're on record as fighting a deployment required under the contract you signed.
George W Bush was given a blank check to wage a war on terrorism, which is fine, when it’s used right. The real war was in Afghanistan against Osama Bin Laden, not against Saddom Hussein. Congress voted to authorized the invasion of Iraq, or are you conveniently forgetting that fact in order to call the war illegal?

I myself have served two combat tours over there and am proud to do so as there was no question that we freed the Iraqi people from a dictator, but the reasons were all wrong as presented to the American people. And as a veteran myself, I applaud your service.

An example of how this is has been passed down from the baby boomer generation, is when Senator Joe Wilson yelled you lied to the president. ... Once upon a time, that would have landed you fired, now not so often. Fired from whom? There has always been yelling in the house. Just look at the thread about Wilson to see my rebuttal and facts on that.
The only exception should be if one can prove that they have a kid that as naturally born here! Don’t split the families up. So you advocate "anchor babies"? Sorry, but the kid can go back home with the parents. No need to split up the families then.

You then go an a rant on how the Baby Boomers are ruining America for us Generation X'ers. Sorry, but Generation X is grown and in some cases running things. Obama himself is an X'er.

Personally I think the problem is people blaming everyone else and refusing to take matters into their own hands to fix things.
I've moved from one coast to another to keep myself employed, and would do so again (I'd kill to be living in Georgia, but that has not been economically possible for me for the past dozen years). Sometimes it takes pulling yourself up by the bootstraps and fixing things yourself. Sure some sacrifices are needed, but not everything is going to be hand delivered on a silver platter.

[Skyhi]

It's Kanye West, everyone.

[Derwin0]

It's Kanye West, everyone.
Thanks,
I knew I had his name wrong, but he's so unimportant that it really wasn't worth a google search.

[Skyhi]

Thanks,
I knew I had his name wrong, but he's so unimportant that it really wasn't worth a google search.
Lol. He is what is he.....a skilled poet with a narcissistic personality who incites controversy for egregious self-promotion.

[fallout2600]

Lol. He is what is he.....a skilled poet with a narcissistic personality who incites controversy for egregious self-promotion.

More like a drunk a$$hole...

[msmith198025]

More like a drunk a$$hole...

A much better description to be sure:thumbup:

[Skyhi]

More like a drunk a$$hole...


A much better description to be sure:thumbup:
You guys just hate Black people! :)

[Skyhi]

Bob,

You're not a frequent poster here.....what exactly inspired this 1AM tirade? :)

[msmith198025]

Bob,

You're not a frequent poster here.....what exactly inspired this 1AM tirade? :)

With no structure and multiple posts.:free-happy-smileys-

Kidding Bob, glad you posted.

[Skyhi]

Maybe they had too much LSD during Woodstock as the lack of parenting from this generation has to have past generations rolling in their graves. Instead of giving your child a good whack on the ass and sending them on their way, it’s no no Billy go to time out! I know when I was a Kid, if I screwed up and I got a good whack on the ass, I never did it again. There is no accountability anymore for ones kids, or any amount of discipline and it’s been passed down to my generation where the laziness has gotten worse.
Blah. False propaganda about LSD.....

My son is as well behaved as can be expected for an 8 year old. I rarely have to raise my voice with him......I can give "the look" and he snaps right into line. I've never hit him. THAT is the lazy way out.

[fallout2600]

Ski, I agree, hitting doesn't work. Also, just because our parents ruled in fear by hitting us doesn't mean we have to repeat the cycle.

[msmith198025]

Blah. False propaganda about LSD.....

My son is as well behaved as can be expected for an 8 year old. I rarely have to raise my voice with him......I can give "the look" and he snaps right into line. I've never hit him. THAT is the lazy way out.

So you do not agree with spanking?

[msmith198025]

Ski, I agree, hitting doesn't work. Also, just because our parents ruled in fear by hitting us doesn't mean we have to repeat the cycle.

How do you define hitting though? Of course beating your kid is wrong, but a good spanking is an effective form of discipline in some cases IMO

[Derwin0]

How do you define hitting though? Of course beating your kid is wrong, but a good spanking is an effective form of discipline in some cases IMO
Yes, depending on the child and situation.

My daughter I can just give a look at for her to burst in tears. My oldest son on the other hand takes a swat for the same effect to take place.

[Skyhi]

So you do not agree with spanking?
No. I think hitting a defenseless 40 pound kid who trusts and depends on you for protection is barbaric. I'm extremely strict with my son and I've never spanked him....there are other ways.

[Madtown HD Junkie]

you make him watch Obama speeches?

[Skyhi]

you make him watch Obama speeches?
Why would I make an 8 year old watch a political speech?

[msmith198025]

No. I think hitting a defenseless 40 pound kid who trusts and depends on you for protection is barbaric. I'm extremely strict with my son and I've never spanked him....there are other ways.

I just do not agree. If a look works, that is great (as is the case with Derwins daughter), however there has to be something backing up that look to make it effective I would think. The wife and I have decided that we will spank our daughter when it is necessary. Of course no parent wants to hit their child, breaks my heart, but I look at it as trying to teach her, and a mild spanking is a tool that I will have at my disposal if nothing else will work.

I know I got spankings growing up, but rarely a spanking twice for the same thing. I learned, and did not do it again.

[msmith198025]

Why would I make an 8 year old watch a political speech?

Haha, he was joking I think.

[Skyhi]

I just do not agree. If a look works, that is great (as is the case with Derwins daughter), however there has to be something backing up that look to make it effective I would think. The wife and I have decided that we will spank our daughter when it is necessary. Of course no parent wants to hit their child, breaks my heart, but I look at it as trying to teach her, and a mild spanking is a tool that I will have at my disposal if nothing else will work.

I know I got spankings growing up, but rarely a spanking twice for the same thing. I learned, and did not do it again.

There is something backing up the look.....my son would probably prefer to be spanked.

I know there are a lot of parents who spank their kids....I don't think they're monsters or anything, but I just don't get it. Hitting a kid is cowardly and lazy parenting IMO.

[fallout2600]

How do you define hitting though? Of course beating your kid is wrong, but a good spanking is an effective form of discipline in some cases IMO

I didn't mean it to sound like I was drawing a line.

I agree with Derwin, it really depends on the child and their personality.

I have 2 girls, I just find it impossible to raise my hand to them....they have an advantage in that respect...:)

I prefer to "talk it out" even if it takes an hour or longer....much more effective in my mind..

[Skyhi]

I didn't mean it to sound like I was drawing a line.

I agree with Derwin, it really depends on the child and their personality.

I have 2 girls, I just find it impossible to raise my hand to them....they have an advantage in that respect...:)

I prefer to "talk it out" even if it takes an hour or longer....much more effective in my mind..

I agree that alternative forms of disipline are more effective and the positive effects will last into the teenage years when you can no longer hit them.

I also find it impossible to raise my hand to kids. I don't slap children, women, or pets.......thats just weak.

I think spanking also teaches children t solve their problems physically...

[msmith198025]

There is something backing up the look.....my son would probably prefer to be spanked.

I know there are a lot of parents who spank their kids....I don't think they're monsters or anything, but I just don't get it. Hitting a kid is cowardly and lazy parenting IMO.

Oh, I know the look and the talk. They sucked much more as I got older (teenager). When I was younger though, a spanking was the worst.

I can respect your point of view, but I do not see it as cowardly or lazy. Oh well, a difference of opinion.

[msmith198025]

I agree that alternative forms of disipline are more effective and the positive effects will last into the teenage years when you can no longer hit them.

I also find it impossible to raise my hand to kids. I don't slap children, women, or pets.......thats just weak.

I think spanking also teaches children t solve their problems physically...

Whoa, slapping in the way you are talking about is totally different than spanking as a form of discipline IMO. Unless I misunderstand.

I also do not think it teaches them to solve things physically. Like I said, i was spanked. I will be the last one to physically solve an adult type problem. If it can be avoided, avoid it by all means. Hell, unless my life or the life of my family is in danger, I will just walk away. Not worth it.

Now if you are talking about actual abuse, parents that go beyond spanking, you may have a point.

[msmith198025]

I didn't mean it to sound like I was drawing a line.

I agree with Derwin, it really depends on the child and their personality.

I have 2 girls, I just find it impossible to raise my hand to them....they have an advantage in that respect...:)

I prefer to "talk it out" even if it takes an hour or longer....much more effective in my mind..

Ok, I understand.

Yeah, I know the first time I had to lightly pop my daughters hand. I am not ashamed to say that when she cried, I broke down as well, it totally broke my heart (but I still felt it was necessary). However, she has not done what I popped her for again. Lesson learned. In that case, there was no way to talk to her about it, she simply would not understand.

All kids are different though. Some respond to a look and a talk, some respond to a spanking. Some respond to neither.

[Skyhi]

Oh, I know the look and the talk. They sucked much more as I got older (teenager). When I was younger though, a spanking was the worst.

I can respect your point of view, but I do not see it as cowardly or lazy. Oh well, a difference of opinion.

Once again, we'll agree to disagree. :)

Whoa, slapping in the way you are talking about is totally different than spanking as a form of discipline IMO. Unless I misunderstand.

I also do not think it teaches them to solve things physically. Like I said, i was spanked. I will be the last one to physically solve an adult type problem. If it can be avoided, avoid it by all means. Hell, unless my life or the life of my family is in danger, I will just walk away. Not worth it.

Now if you are talking about actual abuse, parents that go beyond spanking, you may have a point.
Hitting is hitting. I'm 5'10 170lbs. There is no way I could justify (to myself) hitting a 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 year old. I would feel like scum afterwards.


Ok, I understand.

Yeah, I know the first time I had to lightly pop my daughters hand. I am not ashamed to say that when she cried, I broke down as well, it totally broke my heart (but I still felt it was necessary). However, she has not done what I popped her for again. Lesson learned. In that case, there was no way to talk to her about it, she simply would not understand.

All kids are different though. Some respond to a look and a talk, some respond to a spanking. Some respond to neither.

I do more than "talks" and time-outs. I reward positive behavior and take away favorite toys/tv shows for 1 day per year old. This take more effort than it sounds like....that's why I think spanking is lazy and the easy way out.

[fallout2600]

take away favorite toys/tv shows for 1 day per year old. This take more effort than it sounds like.

I've found that this is the most effective trick in the book and is WAY HARDER than spanking!

[msmith198025]

I can see your suggestion incorporated with spanking as an option.

But as you said, we will have to agree to disagree

[msmith198025]

Hitting is hitting. I'm 5'10 170lbs. There is no way I could justify (to myself) hitting a 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 year old. I would feel like scum afterwards.


.

Hmm, I just see it differently.

Hitting is hitting, spanking is spanking. In my view they are totally different.

[Skyhi]

Hmm, I just see it differently.

Hitting is hitting, spanking is spanking. In my view they are totally different.
Spanking is hitting.

[msmith198025]

Spanking is hitting.

Not in the way I was describing it when you said hitting is hitting.:)

I see a distinct difference in hitting/abuse and hitting/spanking is the point I was making.

[Skyhi]

Not in the way I was describing it when you said hitting is hitting.:)

I see a distinct difference in hitting/abuse and hitting/spanking is the point I was making.
Gotcha! :thumbup:

[Derwin0]

I've found that this is the most effective trick in the book and is WAY HARDER than spanking!
Depends on the child. I've seen kids that would sit alone in a corner lost in their own minds for hours, but other kids that would go plum crazy from having to sit still for 10 seconds.

Every child is different, and has to be punished/corrected differently. The key to effective parenting is determining what works for each child and what doesn't.

[msmith198025]

Depends on the child. I've seen kids that would sit alone in a corner lost in their own minds for hours, but other kids that would go plum crazy from having to sit still for 10 seconds.

Every child is different, and has to be punished/corrected differently. The key to effective parenting is determining what works for each child and what doesn't.

Which is how I feel. I am not saying spanking is the only way by any means. I am saying it is a tool I will have at my disposal if the need arises, for the reason that you gave here.

[Bear Paws]

Bob,

You're not a frequent poster here.....what exactly inspired this 1AM tirade? :) He was probably watching those super intellectuals Bill Maher, John Steward and propaganda minions like Rachel Maddow and Chris Mathews and got drunk on the Kool-aid. He actually swallowed the tactical bilge the hard left is spinning by intentionally strategically fomenting a racial divide between Americans. The Obama Army is useing the lowest form of political warfare. They are aggressively trying to cause racial tension and anger leading to a race riot reminiscent of Watts 68..all just to pass a failing agenda that most don't want in its present form.

Bob has been organized by the Community Organizer in Chief...

[fallout2600]

Depends on the child. I've seen kids that would sit alone in a corner lost in their own minds for hours, but other kids that would go plum crazy from having to sit still for 10 seconds.

Every child is different, and has to be punished/corrected differently. The key to effective parenting is determining what works for each child and what doesn't.

:thumbup:

Totally agree Derwin and any good parent knows that if they are engaged in their child's emotions.

[Madtown HD Junkie]

Why would I make an 8 year old watch a political speech?

You said this.......
I'm extremely strict with my son and I've never spanked him....there are other ways.

I figured it was a form of punishment to watch Obama.:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-

[Madtown HD Junkie]

I didn't mean it to sound like I was drawing a line.

I agree with Derwin, it really depends on the child and their personality.

I have 2 girls, I just find it impossible to raise my hand to them....they have an advantage in that respect...:)

I prefer to "talk it out" even if it takes an hour or longer....much more effective in my mind..

Admittedly, I would have a very hard time spanking my daughter. I have no problem grounding here forever.
My sons I could swat their ass with no hesitation if need be.

[Madtown HD Junkie]

Once again, we'll agree to disagree. :)

Hitting is hitting. I'm 5'10 170lbs. There is no way I could justify (to myself) hitting a 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 year old. I would feel like scum afterwards.



I do more than "talks" and time-outs. I reward positive behavior and take away favorite toys/tv shows for 1 day per year old. This take more effort than it sounds like....that's why I think spanking is lazy and the easy way out.

I like the day per year idea....

[Madtown HD Junkie]

Hmm, I just see it differently.

Hitting is hitting, spanking is spanking. In my view they are totally different.

agreed

[Madtown HD Junkie]

I feel better now...

I think we are all ready for Oprah.
It ain't Oprah, it aint Oprah.

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[Madtown HD Junkie]

Maybe they had too much LSD during Woodstock as the lack of parenting from this generation has to have past generations rolling in their graves. Instead of giving your child a good whack on the ass and sending them on their way, it’s no no Billy go to time out! I know when I was a Kid, if I screwed up and I got a good whack on the ass, I never did it again. There is no accountability anymore for ones kids, or any amount of discipline and it’s been passed down to my generation where the laziness has gotten worse. An example of how this is has been passed down from the baby boomer generation, is when Senator Joe Wilson yelled you lied to the president. Pointing fingers like a little kid. Dude, you’re a senator your suppose to lead by example! Instead you have no regard for authority, and completely disrespect not only the president but, both sides of congress. Once upon a time, that would have landed you fired, now not so often. What’s sad is your saying that the president is lying about immigrants and health care. Dude, I’m naturally born in this country, and while I’m all for legal immigration, Illegal immigrants need to have a one way ticket out of here, no benefits, nothing. Instead we currently give them food stamps, free healthcare, and let them continue to drain the system. The only exception should be if one can prove that they have a kid that as naturally born here! Don’t split the families up. If anyone should drain the system, it should be the millions of Americans who are jobless right now! In my state (Illinois) you can’t even qualify for food stamps help if they are on unemployment. Those are the people who need help! But if you walk into any public aid office or county health department, the ones who claim they are the poorest and don’t have any money usually are the ones with the kids who usually have the 300 dollar gold chains around their necks acting like balla’s like Konya West. Ignorance at its finest.


It was not LSD either.

[Skyhi]

It was not LSD either.
We agree on something. I think that's a first!! :) :)

[Madtown HD Junkie]

We agree on something. I think that's a first!! :) :)

see...I told you we are ready for Oprah.:)