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fallout2600
August 13th, 2009, 03:05 PM
Ron Paul.


The question sounds facetious, since Texas Congressman Ron Paul failed to make any traction among GOP primary voters last year.Throughout the 2008 presidential primaries, Rep. Paul railed against the Federal Reserve Bank and the coming economic crash. And all the other GOP candidates seemed to look at him like he had just crawled out of the grassy knoll. So did most voters, except for a coterie of highly-motivated and mostly young primary voters he organized. Then economic reality happened, and the establishment GOP's economic model crashed along with the party's election hopes. Everything changed.
Ron Paul's “rEVOLution” (revolution with “love” spelled backwards) has been the sole bright light among GOP organizing efforts since Obama's election. In a party marred by the awkward resignation of Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin from the Alaska governorship and a variety of sexual scandals (David Vitter, John Ensign, Mark Sanford, etc), Ron Paul alone has unified the GOP around an overwhelmingly popular proposal: Auditing the Federal Reserve. His bill (H.R. 1207 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1207)) has every Republican House member, a score of senators and – according to a July Rasmussen poll (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/july_2009/75_favor_auditing_the_fed)– three quarters of the American people backing it. He even has significant bipartisan support: More than a third of the Democrats in the House also cosponsor the bill, which is the reason why two-thirds of the entire Democrat-dominated House is currently cosponsoring the legislation.
On the health care debate, Rep. Paul seems the perfect candidate to give the GOP an authoritative spokesman to oppose Obama's expensive health care agenda. Dr. Paul is a medical doctor, an obstetrician who has delivered more than 4,000 babies.

Meanwhile, the Ron Paul revolution appears to be flowering politically. Consider the following:
Web Organization: The Ron Paul “rEVOLution” movement created more than a dozen highly trafficked websites, including DailyPaul.com (http://www.dailypaul.com/), LewRockwell.com (http://www.lewrockwell.com/), RonPaul.com (http://www.ronpaul.com/), in addition to Dr. Paul's official CampaignForLiberty.com (http://www.campaignforliberty.com/). These websites have kept the revolutionaries active and on-task since the letdown of the election.
Tea Parties: From those websites and the election year Meetups emerged the nucleus of the “Tea Party” rallies that exploded nationwide this year. Although the “Tea Party” movement was a larger, organic uprising than simply the result of a single presidential candidacy, most of the original rallies were first organized by Ron Paul supporters. More importantly, precious few of the Tea Party attendees were actively identifying themselves with other national Republican leaders. Ron Paul revolutionaries have helped to keep the tea parties non-partisan, targeting not just Democrats, but also left-leaning Republicans like Iowa's Senator Chuck Grassley (http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=0A22F516-5056-B82A-3719FE69B52BD586), who has been working with Obama to extend federal controls over health care.
Increasingly Powerful PAC: Dr. Paul's Liberty PAC (http://%20%20http//www.ronpaul.org/) funded nine winning congressional candidates in 2008, including freshman California Rep. Tom McClintock (http://www.tommcclintock.com/) – one of the few new GOP congressmen the party saw elected in 2008. But most of the $25 million that Dr. Paul raised in 2008 went toward his presidential campaign. Look for the Texas Republican to use the astonishing fundraising prowess he demonstrated during the 2008 presidential campaign to expand his assistance to libertarian-leaning Republicans in congressional mid-term elections next year.
He should have plenty of revolutionary candidates to fund. The Ron Paul Revolution has also created an informal slate of congressional candidates nationwide. And the political field was cleared in recent weeks for a couple of his key supporters in prospective U.S. Senate campaigns.

The Ron Paul revolution also includes a number of lesser-known candidates and candidates who face uphill electoral battles, like Gulf War veteran and anti-war activist Adam Kokesh. Kokesh is running in New Mexico's heavily Democratic third congressional district. But even Kokesh has earned some rather impressive internet fundraising numbers (http://www.kokeshforcongress.com/), which may help make him a serious contender.
In a July Gallup poll (http://www.gallup.com/poll/121886/cdc-tops-agency-ratings-federal-reserve-board-lowest.aspx), Americans ranked the Federal Reserve lowest among a battery of nine federal agencies – even lower than the IRS. Thus, it’s not surprising Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has hired a political lobbyist (http://%20%20%20http//www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aZjQKyLci1AM&refer=us) and has begun a nationwide public relations tour (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/business/july-dec09/bernanke_07-26.html)to stop Dr. Paul's legislative juggernaut. Dr. Paul is planning a public relations offensive against the Federal Reserve Bank of his own, having authored a follow-up to his April 2008 New York Times best-selling book Revolution: A Manifesto. His latest book, End the Fed, is already selling well at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/End-Fed-Ron-Paul/dp/0446549193) – even though it isn't even slated to be published until September 16. The contention of End the Fed is that the current economic crisis was largely a creation of the Federal Reserve's efforts to suppress interest rates earlier in the decade, creating the housing boom as well as its subsequent bust. Considering the Fed's polling numbers, that should be an easy sell.

Ron Paul and his dedicated followers may have been the tail of the GOP dog during the 2008 campaign, but so far this year the tail has been wagging the dog.
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http://www.examiner.com/x-19718-Boston-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m8d13-Is-Ron-Paul-the-last-relevant-Republican-in-Washington (http://www.examiner.com/x-19718-Boston-Conservative-Examiner%7Ey2009m8d13-Is-Ron-Paul-the-last-relevant-Republican-in-Washington)

fallout2600
August 13th, 2009, 03:52 PM
On top of that...all you Dems and Repubs that belong to your respective "club" and have been hollering at each other at the town halls. Take a look at the kind of educated responses the Ron Paul crowd generates:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMiwzqItLYY&feature=player_embedded

What is that? Respect? Personal Responsibility? And straight up Fact.

You can all continue shooting between MSNBC and FoxNews at each other while the Independents/Centrists/Libertarians continue to make both of you look immature and slowly destroy the fringes of each party.

Bear Paws
August 14th, 2009, 06:00 AM
I'm not certain why your addressing me in regards to Paul. I have always agreed with him. Can't think of anything I disagree on with him. To reiterate.... I'm not a Republican by ideology, Only by registration. I have often called myself a Republitarian and am probably more a cultural conservative like Ron Paul than maybe you are. Equally as fiscal and constitutionally conservative and constructionist.

I would vote for him in a heart beat if I thought he could lead this country.. I don't think he can. The juggernauts in Washington would run his demure demeanor over. His percieved or real reticence to play Washington Hardball that you so much hate is a serious handicap. Realistically Your not going to change the game as much as we all would like to.
Here is the problem with Ron Paul in a few words. He is not a leader. If he was he would be a bigger force in Congress. Case in Point. He was succeeded by Tom Delay in the Texas US House. For good or bad Delay went on to greater leadership roles.

Ron Paul is the smartest guy in the room everyone turns to for the academic/tactical answers but then turns to someone else to strategically lead the way. Occasionally turning to Paul asking if they where still on course. He is the statistician professor that gives the couch the winning numbers combination. I'm not speaking for myself. I don't need a leader to follow. But most Americans, especially in the recent 50 years, can't even get out of bed without an alarm clock and their mother to stand them up... They call themselves Independents. Those are the ones you need to get to vote for him. They need a Patton, Reagan or even a JFK.

How did the GOP end up with McCain? He was the biggest leader in the class. He always stands out in the Senate. The press outright ignored Paul like the wall flower he is. . And then elected Obama but that's another story.

fallout2600
August 14th, 2009, 08:58 AM
I singled you out b/c I wanted you to weigh in on the article. I respect your opinion when it comes to the Repub party. :)

Interesting, so you see Ron Paul as the man behind the curtain in the Repub party. I would actually agree completely with you on that. That's pretty much what the article is implying.

We can agree to disagree on the leadership role. Tom Delay was and is a criminal, so what's that say about him overtaking Paul? That Paul is honest. Paul just isn't the "statist" type leader we all have come accustomed to over the last decade(s).

What I think will be interesting is that his Audit the Fed bill (HR1207) now has enough co-sponsors (282) to clear the House with ease. It may be the only current bill that exists with that many cosponsors. If it gets passed and we actually get an audit and see where the trillions went, then I believe the sh1t will hit the fan.

HD MM
August 14th, 2009, 09:08 AM
Ron Paul has about as much ability to "lead" as Dennis Kucinich. Both have decent ideas, some vastly different, but neither are the "leader types" that Bear describes.

fallout2600
August 14th, 2009, 01:30 PM
Ron Paul has about as much ability to "lead" as Dennis Kucinich. Both have decent ideas, some vastly different, but neither are the "leader types" that Bear describes.

Glad I could bring you and Bear together and in agreement on something!!! :05: :)

Bear Paws
August 14th, 2009, 01:37 PM
I singled you out b/c I wanted you to weigh in on the article. I respect your opinion when it comes to the Repub party. :)

Interesting, so you see Ron Paul as the man behind the curtain in the Repub party. I would actually agree completely with you on that. That's pretty much what the article is implying.

We can agree to disagree on the leadership role. Tom Delay was and is a criminal, so what's that say about him overtaking Paul? That Paul is honest. Paul just isn't the "statist" type leader we all have come accustomed to over the last decade(s).

What I think will be interesting is that his Audit the Fed bill (HR1207) now has enough co-sponsors (282) to clear the House with ease. It may be the only current bill that exists with that many cosponsors. If it gets passed and we actually get an audit and see where the trillions went, then I believe the sh1t will hit the fan. Thank you.. I have the utmost respect for you as well. Now that we got the hugging and kind words aside lets rumble.

There are far more qualified Republicans that can opine on the Republican party per se. The Republicanism I carry in my heart as the center of my ideology is the anti-Communism/Socialism Conservative Republican that Ronald Reagan so succinctly described as the evil empire as well those that would hide behind it's incarnation, progressivism. You have seen my literary ruminations on the subject of socialism/communism/progresivism/liberalism enough times and know my back ground without a need to go over it again. Ron Paul is of the exact same ideology in a less inclined manner to generally label and would rather call Statism, national socialism communism as just Big (intrusive) Government. Me, I'm more incendiary.

I know you think Socialism/Communism is no longer a threat. That's when it becomes a threat, when they have you convinced it is not. I have studied them, their tactics, their strategies, their methods and MO for 60 years. We have never been at greater peril at falling into the abyss of Socialism/Communism than anytime I can recall in my life. Its in Congress in both Houses and in the White House under a different name and it ain't a rose.
I know you have streaks of leftist tendencies which make it all the more disconcerting because you are a libertarian also. To put a label on that if I had to would be a libertarian socialist in the image of a Noam Chomsky.

I didn't really grasp the "being behind the curtain" theme from the articles as the point of the articles..I formed that opinion probably the first time I heard him speak authoritatively on the economy or the constitution.

Like I said about Tom delay. For good or bad he was the leader type. He had what is called "presence". That's the thing that gets you to say "yes sir" to leaders and not to the followers, or something derogatory to the ones that should get out of the way. It takes a great man not to be corrupted by his own leadership prowess. That's why the Liberals can never understand why we hold Reagan in such high regard.

Several years ago when I read The Creature from Jekyll Island understood the need to hold the FED accountable. Banning would be just better but that's another long generational battle just as getting rid of nationalized health care (single payer or public option ) insurance would be if passed. Its like napalm.

Bear Paws
August 14th, 2009, 01:39 PM
Glad I could bring you and Bear together and in agreement on something!!! :05: :) This is awful. Quick, get the fire hose.:)