Pres. townhall meeting on healthcare

[msmith198025]

Think these people were handpicked or not?

[msmith198025]

Well seemed like a bunch of softball questions to me.
Even the "critic" at the end seemed very pro-Obama/health plan.

[msmith198025]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090811/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_health_care_overhaul



The questions Obama faced were straightforward and there were no immediate outbursts.

During the middle of the civil back-and-forth, one man identified himself as a Republican and said, "I don't know what I'm doing here." The Democratic president said he was happy to have him in attendance.

Toward the end of the session, Obama went so far as to ask for someone to give him a skeptical question. The best he got were queries about why he doesn't chastise Congress more and where the nation would find the additional doctors and nurses it needs.

[vurbano]

Think these people were handpicked or not?

yes. It was very much like Hitler would have done it. Or Perhaps Kim Jong il

[HD MM]

yes. It was very much like Hitler would have done it. Or Perhaps Kim Jong il

No wonder this country can't have educated discourse about this subject. This poster is my case and point. :augentreher:

[Bear Paws]

yes. It was very much like Hitler would have done it. Or Perhaps Kim Jong il Reminded me more of the "news conferences" and staged rallies I attended at the Kremlin under Brezhnev's rule. He too was marked by a personality cult, albeit different from Stalin's. The Brezhnev cult was generally seen as cynical and scarily gaining strength with an absence of fear from the populace and the world..I see that in the White House today. Interestingly, His arrogant cult of personality led to his unfortunate legacy to his successors was the decision to intervene in Afghanistan in 1979..

[msmith198025]

No wonder this country can't have educated discourse about this subject. This poster is my case and point. :augentreher:
Come on, you can not judge a large opinion pool based on one poster.

If there is oposition, their feelings and opinions deserved to be heard. Right?

[markh]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/04/INGPQ40MB81.DTL&type=printable


When President Bush travels around the United States, the Secret Service visits the location ahead of time and orders local police to set up "free speech zones" or "protest zones," where people opposed to Bush policies (and sometimes sign-carrying supporters) are quarantined. These zones routinely succeed in keeping protesters out of presidential sight and outside the view of media covering the event.

When Bush went to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, "The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us."

The local police, at the Secret Service's behest, set up a "designated free-speech zone" on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush's speech.

The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, but folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president's path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign.

Soooo, do you think that's more like Stalin or Hitler? :augentreher: At least they're not arresting protesters at the town halls.

[froggigger]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/04/INGPQ40MB81.DTL&type=printable


Soooo, do you think that's more like Stalin or Hitler? :augentreher: At least they're not arresting protesters at the town halls.

"First, we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons, not just federally registered lobbyists. For the first time, we will reach contacts not only by registered lobbyists but also by unregistered ones, as well as anyone else exerting influence on the process. We concluded this was necessary under the unique circumstances of the stimulus program."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Update-on-Recovery-Act-Lobbying-Rules-New-Limits-on-Special-Interest-Influence/

Hitler or Stalin?

[HD MM]

Come on, you can not judge a large opinion pool based on one poster.

If there is oposition, their feelings and opinions deserved to be heard. Right?

Trust me, V* represents a much larger group of Radicals than you might think. You and me are a little more down to earth, but it feels like the extreme right/left are growing by the day.

[msmith198025]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_protests



Sen. Arlen Specter said Wednesday he thinks people who have been angrily disrupting town hall meetings on overhauling the health care system are "not necessarily representative of America," but should be heard.

"It's more than health care," said Specter, 79, who earlier this year left the Republican Party and became a Democrat. "I think there is a mood in America of anger with so many people unemployed, with so much bickering in Washington ... with the fear of losing their health care. It all boils over."

[Bear Paws]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_protests Specter still has no clue. I watched most of his "town hall" yesterday and he is as much a moron now as he was as a "republican". I think Bob Bird even now is a sharper tack than Specter

[fallout2600]

Trust me, V* represents a much larger group of Radicals than you might think. You and me are a little more down to earth, but it feels like the extreme right/left are growing by the day.

You see, that's where I completely disagree. I feel like the "centrists"/"independents"/"libertarians" are growing each day as the "neocons" and "liberals" are losing power. It a good thing for this country. We need to remove ourselves from the fringe and return to our founding. I'm optimistic.

Just ignore the BS communism and nazism remarks, they are a dying breed...take note that Palin was kicked out of the club. Now we just need to get rid of Pelosi and this country could move forward.

[HD MM]

You see, that's where I completely disagree. I feel like the "centrists"/"independents"/"libertarians" are growing each day as the "neocons" and "liberals" are losing power. It a good thing for this country. We need to remove ourselves from the fringe and return to our founding. I'm optimistic.

Just ignore the BS communism and nazism remarks, they are a dying breed...take note that Palin was kicked out of the club. Now we just need to get rid of Pelosi and this country could move forward.

I hope your right.

[fallout2600]

I hope your right.

2010 elections will tell us.

[markh]

"First, we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons, not just federally registered lobbyists. For the first time, we will reach contacts not only by registered lobbyists but also by unregistered ones, as well as anyone else exerting influence on the process. We concluded this was necessary under the unique circumstances of the stimulus program."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Update-on-Recovery-Act-Lobbying-Rules-New-Limits-on-Special-Interest-Influence/

Hitler or Stalin?

Did you even read that or did you just find some language you liked that sounded like the administration was preventing free speech? I'll save you from having to read it. It applies to people looking for money for stimulus projects and prevents oral communication and requires written requests that must be posted on the internet so everyone can see what was said back and forth. All in all a good thing, right?

[froggigger]

Did you even read that or did you just find some language you liked that sounded like the administration was preventing free speech? I'll save you from having to read it. It applies to people looking for money for stimulus projects and prevents oral communication and requires written requests that must be posted on the internet so everyone can see what was said back and forth. All in all a good thing, right?

If it were only that innocent. This is government restricting political expression in one specialized area, ie. lobbying government officials regarding policy. Once firmly entrenched, the specialized area will expand. If allowed to continue expanding unchecked, eventually all political expression regarding all policy will be subject to government oversight. It's an attack on the second amendment couched in rhetoric.

[markh]

Aaaahhhhh, the domino theory. If we try to keep corruption from lobbying by shining a little daylight on who and what is said, specifically on the stimulus program, then the 2nd amendment will surely fall. Got it.

[stevenl]

They were saying the same thing about communisim. We fought several wars over it, and in Korea and Vietnam we failed to get rid of communism. Guess what. Communism didnt spread worldwide. In fact it finnaly began to die and decay without a single shot needed to be fired.

As with the case Above Frog, how could you be against requireing people begging for our tax dollars to have to be put in the public spot light?

[froggigger]

Aaaahhhhh, the domino theory. If we try to keep corruption from lobbying by shining a little daylight on who and what is said, specifically on the stimulus program, then the 2nd amendment will surely fall. Got it.

Yeah, we can poo-poo the domino effect since it never happens here. Like, for instance, when back in 1887 the Interstate Commerce Commission was formed to regulate railroads. No need to think that just because the regulatory foot was in the door it would lead to more regulation. Just ignore the Federal Register. It doesn't exist.

Then we have a minor, nothing to worry about 3% income tax to fund the War between the North and the United States. No domino theory to see here. The 50,000+ pages of the tax code are vapor.

BTW, how does one shine a little daylight on what is said if it isn't allowed to be said in the first place?

[froggigger]

They were saying the same thing about communisim. We fought several wars over it, and in Korea and Vietnam we failed to get rid of communism. Guess what. Communism didnt spread worldwide. In fact it finnaly began to die and decay without a single shot needed to be fired.

As with the case Above Frog, how could you be against requireing people begging for our tax dollars to have to be put in the public spot light?

Forcing their mouths closed sure doesn't put them in the public spotlight. :rolleyes:

[Bear Paws]

They were saying the same thing about communisim. We fought several wars over it, and in Korea and Vietnam we failed to get rid of communism. Guess what. Communism didnt spread worldwide. In fact it finnaly began to die and decay without a single shot needed to be fired.
Good grief Steve. You are a victim of the public education system aren't you? But then again I answered this for you a long time ago. I remember because I was as amazed at the lack of historical understand then as I still am.
To keep it simple. We as a nation never set out to rid the world of Communism. Just to keep it from forcibly spreading to where it wasn't wanted. Like South Korea, Indochinese Peninsula and East to India and of course the USA where it appears we may have failed..The reason Communism only spread as far as it did was because we fought several wars and stopped its progress.

[msmith198025]

Frog, I can understand where you are coming from, but I still see it as a reach in the link and what you are trying to say, or at least that is how I see it.

[froggigger]

Frog, I can understand where you are coming from, but I still see it as a reach in the link and what you are trying to say, or at least that is how I see it.

Maybe a reach, maybe not. If history is any indication, the "maybe not" possibility simply can't be ignored.

[vurbano]

They were saying the same thing about communisim. We fought several wars over it, and in Korea and Vietnam we failed to get rid of communism. Guess what. Communism didnt spread worldwide. In fact it finnaly began to die and decay without a single shot needed to be fired.

As with the case Above Frog, how could you be against requireing people begging for our tax dollars to have to be put in the public spot light?

so Obama will start decaying? It may be too late by then.

[markh]

Big reach

[Skyhi]

"First, we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons, not just federally registered lobbyists. For the first time, we will reach contacts not only by registered lobbyists but also by unregistered ones, as well as anyone else exerting influence on the process. We concluded this was necessary under the unique circumstances of the stimulus program."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Update-on-Recovery-Act-Lobbying-Rules-New-Limits-on-Special-Interest-Influence/

Hitler or Stalin?

Comparing the President of the United States to Hitler because you disagree with his political positions is a sickening disgrace for which you should be ashamed. Everybody who does it deserves a thorough ass-kicking from a WWII vet.

[msmith198025]

Comparing the President of the United States to Hitler because you disagree with his political positions is a sickening disgrace for which you should be ashamed. Everybody who does it deserves a thorough ass-kicking from a WWII vet.

I can agree that I disagree with this....but this is not the first time it happened. It was happening for the last pres as well. I did not see anyone (or many)ndefending him. Not saying YOU did not. I have just seen alot more doing it for THIS pres.

[froggigger]

Comparing the President of the United States to Hitler because you disagree with his political positions is a sickening disgrace for which you should be ashamed. Everybody who does it deserves a thorough ass-kicking from a WWII vet.

The one who needs the ass-kicking is the one who comments without bothering to go back and see in what context the reference was used. I'll give you one hint. I wasn't the first to use the Hitler/Stalin reference, just responding to it. Try to keep your knee from jerking long enough to go back and get all the details. Then we'll talk. :rolleyes:

[Skyhi]

The one who needs the ass-kicking is the one who comments without bothering to go back and see in what context the reference was used. I'll give you one hint. I wasn't the first to use the Hitler/Stalin reference, just responding to it. Try to keep your knee from jerking long enough to go back and get all the details. Then we'll talk. :rolleyes:

I apologize to you. Sometimes I scroll through the pages of inane banter full of irrational hatred too quickly.

[fallout2600]

I can agree that I disagree with this....but this is not the first time it happened. It was happening for the last pres as well. I did not see anyone (or many)ndefending him. Not saying YOU did not. I have just seen alot more doing it for THIS pres.

Yes it was. Bush was depicted has Hitler for years, until he became a lame duck. Now Obama is being depicted as Hitler. Maybe there's a reason for it? Maybe its got to with the fact that govt has gotten so big and invasive that the population is starting to see the light. Anytime the President or Congress overreaches, a Hitler or Stalin reference is justified.