Fox News: USA Should not have freed Journalists in North Korea

[fallout2600]

I'm curious, how many of the FoxNews watchers actually agree with Dick Morris and FoxNews on this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdnT8eOH_hU

[HDRoberts]

Just shows how Fox News and the Repubs have become nothing but political contrarians, disagreeing just to disagree. Two women were rescued for the cost of a dinner with a former president. All-in-all, a great deal.

[vurbano]

I cant access it from work but Morris often talks in hypotheticals.

[msmith198025]

Well he was not being hypothetical here from what I can tell. I do not agree with his viewpoint on this particular situation at all.

As far as it pertains to Fox though, I do not see a problem with them airing this. I have seen several on there praise this decision, and several be against the idea of it. Just like during the interview. Gretchen seemed to be for getting them, Steve seemed against meeting with them.

[fallout2600]

I can't believe Morris said it was the girls' fault and they should have been left in NK!! Has if our govt isn't the one that has created the hostility with NK, therefore its our govt's responsibility to go get those civilians. The constitution gives our govt the responsibility off protecting our freedoms!

[msmith198025]

I can't believe Morris said it was the girls' fault and they should have been left in NK!! Has if our govt isn't the one that has created the hostility with NK, therefore its our govt's responsibility to go get those civilians. The constitution gives our govt the responsibility off protecting our freedoms!

Yeah, that comment was ridiculous.

I do not agree that it was all us that created the hostilities though.

[Bear Paws]

I'm curious, how many of the FoxNews watchers actually agree with Dick Morris and FoxNews on this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdnT8eOH_hU


Just shows how Fox News and the Repubs have become nothing but political contrarians, disagreeing just to disagree. Two women were rescued for the cost of a dinner with a former president. All-in-all, a great deal.

What has this to do with Fox News??? Or Republicans for that matter. Your really reaching here to paint FOX news with this opinion. Of course All the other 99.9% of the other contributory that don't share Morris's opinion is just chopped liver? Dick Morris is a independent contributor. He hates Clinton, especially Hillery.. So What?.. When Bob Beckel makes a commentary on FNC that means what? The whole network fell off the Liberal Cliff. Christ get a grip over this Fox News Derangement. Its the closest you have to a fair balance of news out there that covers both side the best and don't drink the kool-aid by the gallons.

[vurbano]

What has this to do with Fox News???

Nothing. Its just a way for the idiot left wing to trash it because of something ONE analyst said. And frankly, if you detach yourself from the emotional crap it makes sense. N Korea played us for publicity. And those women did take the risk themselves by venturing into N Korea. So everytime someone does something stupid like they did the US should destroy its position on N Korea and give them a propoganda opportunity??

[msmith198025]

I agree (although not as strongly as you two) that Fox did no wrong here. I saw a two sided argument. That is what we need from the media.
Does Fox do that every time? Of course not. None of them do, but I see no fault on their part here.

[Bear Paws]

Nothing. Its just a way for the idiot left wing to trash it because of something ONE analyst said. And frankly, if you detach yourself from the emotional crap it makes sense. N Korea played us for publicity. And those women did take the risk themselves by venturing into N Korea. It makes them sound like mindless village idiots. Duh, oh yeah, duh that Fox News man.

I always asked what they where doing there. You send in two ethnically covert women to enter NK from the northern boarder from China on some secret Al Gore mission to spy on the NK on how they are polluting or some such crap and we wonder what happened?? Either the women are stupidly naive or they are ignorantly arrogant amateur investigative reporters. This is no accident, just a colossal screw up by amateurs.

Take it from someone who has done 100s of such incursions and insertions. Here you have two I guess descendant Korean ethnic American women whom pass as locals that speak the dialect, infiltrate a border in a remote region with out benifit of visa into a hostel nation from another semi hostel country that they have no documentation from either. In my day they would have shot me the same day.

[Bear Paws]

I agree (although not as strongly as you two) that Fox did no wrong here. I saw a two sided argument. That is what we need from the media.
Does Fox do that every time? Of course not. None of them do, but I see no fault on their part here. They probably do it 99% of time more often than its competitors. I mean argument... not hand holding around the May Pole like you get on Chris Mathews Show or Larry Alive. Even on Hannity there is real yelling and arguing. Ever see a argument on GMA or Today? Even Morning Joe is tame compared to F&F unless Buchanan and Beckle are on.

[fallout2600]

Bear, let me rephrase the question, the year is 2009, do you agree with Dick Morris?

[HDRoberts]

What has this to do with Fox News??? Or Republicans for that matter. Your really reaching here to paint FOX news with this opinion. Of course All the other 99.9% of the other contributory that don't share Morris's opinion is just chopped liver? Dick Morris is a independent contributor. He hates Clinton, especially Hillery.. So What?.. When Bob Beckel makes a commentary on FNC that means what? The whole network fell off the Liberal Cliff. Christ get a grip over this Fox News Derangement. Its the closest you have to a fair balance of news out there that covers both side the best and don't drink the kool-aid by the gallons.

It's a pattern. The constantly put on people exposing fringe right wing ideology, then claim, when someone says something stupid (or blatantly untrue), that he was merely an independent commentator. When it happens all the time, I start to doubt that Fox News really has no idea what they plan to say.

You also note they never seem to have liberal commentators invited to espouse equally fringe left wing beliefs (though when it happens elsewhere, they play it over top a horror movie soundtrack). In fact, when DO they have liberal commentators? What, Alan Colmes? Yes, let's but up Droopy the dog against Hannity so he will lose. Let's not kid ourselves. Fox News is not "balanced."

CNN is far and away the most balanced.

[fallout2600]

CNN is far and away the most balanced.

I disagree. Here's how I see it. They ALL have agendas. They are the new newspaper. They all sell soap. In my view you need a dose of Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc and then make a logical decision on what is right and wrong. But people that stick to their "club" will always watch their club's network.

[msmith198025]

I disagree. Here's how I see it. They ALL have agendas. They are the new newspaper. They all sell soap. In my view you need a dose of Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc and then make a logical decision on what is right and wrong. But people that stick to their "club" will always watch their club's network.

Exactly, that is what I have been saying as well.:thumbup:

[Bear Paws]

Bear, let me rephrase the question, the year is 2009, do you agree with Dick Morris? What the year 2009 has to do with espionage and its consequences alludes me.

Agree with Morris? Partially, yes. There is the thing about responsibility for your actions. Now. if they had been "reporting" for the US government the "expense" to instrument their release is the burden of the US. Lets say like a Gary Powers or a Downey and Fecteau or untold many other professionals..
I don't believe we sent these two "in" under cover of reporters. They where not even NOCs. (No Official Cover) They where two arrogant brash know-it-all smart asses that got their tits caught in the wringer because they thought they where smarter than those stupid ignorant backward third world rubes. After all they had right on their side and of course they where Americans.

This not some incidental game like climbing over the fence of a upstate NY power plant to see if they are discharging hot water into the river.. They are childish idealistic reporters snooping for Al Gore thinking this is just some silly little game because they are young women with a righteous agenda in a very high risk game reserved for people sworn to die if captured seen only in novels or old movies.


Because of their brash stupidity and elitist ignorance they triggered a international incident. We don't know the consequences the US had to bend over and and give the NKs for their pre-cooked release. We don't know what this cost us but I doubt it was cheap. THe Clinton emissary was just the grand icing for KIM to embarrass us and propagandize this incident. The news media may be throwing accolades and praise to Clinton but his having to pose in the photo ops with Kim is the equivalent of a Former US president being dragged through the streets naked in the NK eyes over there. Why do you think he looks so unhappy in those photos with Kim. Its because he just pulled his pants up and now knows how a lot of his women felt after they pulled their pants up too.

I'm glade the stupid women got home safe but I believe we should now prosecute them if they acted on their own with out US sanction..( I know they where not. If that's what we have for covert insurgents and spooks we are doomed.) Just as we charge idiot mountain climbers and hikers for their rescue.

[Bear Paws]

It's a pattern. The constantly put on people exposing fringe right wing ideology, then claim, when someone says something stupid (or blatantly untrue), that he was merely an independent commentator. When it happens all the time, I start to doubt that Fox News really has no idea what they plan to say.

You also note they never seem to have liberal commentators invited to espouse equally fringe left wing beliefs (though when it happens elsewhere, they play it over top a horror movie soundtrack). In fact, when DO they have liberal commentators? What, Alan Colmes? Yes, let's but up Droopy the dog against Hannity so he will lose. Let's not kid ourselves. Fox News is not "balanced."

CNN is far and away the most balanced. Yeah we know your ideal pattern. Its in balance so long it tilts 90* to the left like MSMBC, NBC, NPR. Then there is Katy and Matt Lauer, Meredith Vieira, Ann Curry. There is fair and balance to your side. CNN? Oh yeah ...Anderson Copper Vanderbilt..:free-happy-smileys- and Larry Alive. :augentreher:
The only shouting match any of those networks have is when 5 liberal pundits and talking anal orifices gang up on some conservative stay at home mom whom home schools her toddlers...

[vurbano]

CNN is far and away the most balanced.CNN has Olbermann on, its chief analyst was a Clinton superdelegate and DEM party officer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Brazile and another black analyst actually got up and danced during the DEM convention!
Are you insane? Seriously you can't be THAT ignorant or blind? It might as well call itself the Communist News Network or do you actually find Jack Cafferty fair and balanced? Perhaps that queer Anderson Cooper or james Carvelle is your idea of unbiased?

[msmith198025]

CNN has Olbermann on, its chief analyst was the Clinton campaign director and another black analyst actually got up and danced during the DEM convention!
Are you insane? Seriously you can't be THAT ignorant or blind. it might as well call itself the Communist News Network

CNN has Olberman on??? Not since the 80s, and he was a sports correspondent then. Or did I misunderstand?

[vurbano]

CNN has Olberman on??? Not since the 80s, and he was a sports correspondent then. Or did I misunderstand?Yup they kicked him off the broadcast during the republican national convention for his comments! I know he works for MSNBC but I swear I heard him grumbling stuff on a panel of analysts on CNN. And a republican analyst threatening to leave if the CNN bobble heads were going to keep talking about the Sarah Palin's the real mommy bullshit from dailykos. yes CNN actually reported that! Took it and ran with it!

[HDRoberts]

Yup they kicked him off the broadcast during the republican national convention for his comments! I know he works for MSNBC but I swear I heard him grumbling stuff on a panel of analysts on CNN. And a republican analyst threatening to leave if the CNN bobble heads were going to keep talking about the Sarah Palin's the real mommy bullshit from dailykos. yes CNN actually reported that! Took it and ran with it!

Don't think Olberman has been on CNN, but if true, you're saying it's acceptable for Fox to have "independent contributors" but not CNN?

CNN also has conservative Lou Dobbs, who while isn't full a team player, supports many conservative views and has been giving a lot pf press to birthers. All the shows I see with pundants, they seem to have people from both sides of the aisle. I'm not saying CNN is neutral, but is closer to it than Fox News.

[vurbano]

I agree (although not as strongly as you two) that Fox did no wrong here. I saw a two sided argument. That is what we need from the media.
Does Fox do that every time? Of course not. None of them do, but I see no fault on their part here.

The thing is that the images and story of the mother with her little daughter was so strong that even I thought Clinton did the right thing and fell for N Korean trap. But after considering what Morris said I have to admit he is right and the news showing those heartwarming images fails to mention that the women even admit that they crossed into N Korea illegally.

[vurbano]

Don't think Olberman has been on CNN, but if true, you're saying it's acceptable for Fox to have "independent contributors" but not CNN?

CNN also has conservative Lou Dobbs, who while isn't full a team player, supports many conservative views and has been giving a lot pf press to birthers. All the shows I see with pundants, they seem to have people from both sides of the aisle. I'm not saying CNN is neutral, but is closer to it than Fox News.

Olbermann is no contributor, he is the charles manson of commentators. And Lou Dobbs is the only thing on CNN worth watching. Ive said that before. Theres an entire thread on it. BTW if you actually listened to Dobbs you would know that he isnt agreeing with the birthers that Obama isnt eligible. He just agrees that Obama should end this controversy and produce the document.

[stevenl]

What has this to do with Fox News??? Or Republicans for that matter. Your really reaching here to paint FOX news with this opinion. Of course All the other 99.9% of the other contributory that don't share Morris's opinion is just chopped liver? Dick Morris is a independent contributor. He hates Clinton, especially Hillery.. So What?.. When Bob Beckel makes a commentary on FNC that means what? The whole network fell off the Liberal Cliff. Christ get a grip over this Fox News Derangement. Its the closest you have to a fair balance of news out there that covers both side the best and don't drink the kool-aid by the gallons.



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[fallout2600]

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Exactly, I think Bear needs to lay off the Fox News koolaid.

[fallout2600]

What the year 2009 has to do with espionage and its consequences alludes me.

Agree with Morris? Partially, yes. There is the thing about responsibility for your actions. Now. if they had been "reporting" for the US government the "expense" to instrument their release is the burden of the US. Lets say like a Gary Powers or a Downey and Fecteau or untold many other professionals..
I don't believe we sent these two "in" under cover of reporters. They where not even NOCs. (No Official Cover) They where two arrogant brash know-it-all smart asses that got their tits caught in the wringer because they thought they where smarter than those stupid ignorant backward third world rubes. After all they had right on their side and of course they where Americans.

This not some incidental game like climbing over the fence of a upstate NY power plant to see if they are discharging hot water into the river.. They are childish idealistic reporters snooping for Al Gore thinking this is just some silly little game because they are young women with a righteous agenda in a very high risk game reserved for people sworn to die if captured seen only in novels or old movies.


Because of their brash stupidity and elitist ignorance they triggered a international incident. We don't know the consequences the US had to bend over and and give the NKs for their pre-cooked release. We don't know what this cost us but I doubt it was cheap. THe Clinton emissary was just the grand icing for KIM to embarrass us and propagandize this incident. The news media may be throwing accolades and praise to Clinton but his having to pose in the photo ops with Kim is the equivalent of a Former US president being dragged through the streets naked in the NK eyes over there. Why do you think he looks so unhappy in those photos with Kim. Its because he just pulled his pants up and now knows how a lot of his women felt after they pulled their pants up too.

I'm glade the stupid women got home safe but I believe we should now prosecute them if they acted on their own with out US sanction..( I know they where not. If that's what we have for covert insurgents and spooks we are doomed.) Just as we charge idiot mountain climbers and hikers for their rescue.

And you said Bill Maher was vile. You sound just as bad in bashing these women.

Don't forget this, NK was an enemy a long time ago. Some president going get these citizens doesn't make them a "new" enemy or change the game as you would like everyone to believe.

[Bear Paws]

[QUOTE]And you said Bill Maher was vile. You sound just as bad in bashing these women. Someone needs to. What? They are heroes to you? They are either morons or brash arrogant amateurs involved in a international incident triggered by them because of their stupid actions.


Don't forget this, NK was an enemy a long time ago. Some president going get these citizens doesn't make them a "new" enemy or change the game as you would like everyone to believe.
All the more reason we need to know what they where doing breaching the border into a long time enemy territory.We can be very certain knowing the NK did not dare cross into China to snatch theses two. These two had crossed the frozen Yalu river into NK territory to film NK and possible help refugees. That's very admirable. I did the same thing for years in Hungary for refugees/assets from the USSR and the rest of the Eastern Bloc but that is not a job for idealistic cable TV reporters that simply or just "want to make a difference".

How Come their camera man escaped, made it out and came home in March? OK so we don't expect him to make any statements publicly while the two broads are captive but at some time real quick now there need to be some splainen to be done.

"Clinton expressed words of sincere apology to Kim Jong-il for the hostile acts committed by the two American journalists against the DPRK after illegally intruding into it. Clinton courteously conveyed to Kim Jong Il an earnest request of the US government to leniently pardon them and send them back home from a humanitarian point of view."

Wow!! And that's it? Why does my pessimistic bone itch and tingle?? Little Kimmy was happy with an apology and a dinner with Bill?? The women go home like nothing happened? Wow. Lets send Obama over to sit with Kimmy for a couple beers, a skin flick and the NKs will abandon the Nuke program.

I hope this is a lesson for all the bleeding heart liberal lefties out there that are advocating a Socialist or Communist type of government for us here in the US.. But they will never see the correlation between "human rights violations" they so whine about and the socialistic/communistic regimes they have such great admiration, adulation and praise for. Clue: People will risk death to escape Socialism and Communism. That's why these countries have fences, both literal and economic, to keep the people in, not to keep people out, other than bleeding heart snoopers..

Even countries like UK have fences to keep people in. Economic fences. Sell your house and property in England and try to leave with the proceeds like you can here in the US. Go ahead Try it. But they have free health care. Eventually ....maybe... if your young enough and don't need it. :free-happy-smileys-