Homeland Security warns about "rightwing radicals"

[msmith198025]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94803

The groups not only include racist or hate groups, but also those that favor state and local authority over federal authority? :confused:

[msmith198025]

Oh yeah, we have to watch out for those millitary vets too....


"the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

This is crazy

And those darn Christians....


It further warned law enforcement to watch out for individuals with "radical" ideologies based on Christian views, such as opposing illegal immigration, abortion and federal taxes.

[fallout2600]

but also those that favor state and local authority over federal authority

So if you support state rights, then you're radical? Insane.

[msmith198025]

So if you support state rights, then you're radical? Insane.

I added some small parts of it in quotes..

I have never been more astounded at the ignorance of our government.
Fall in line guys, if you dont, they will be watching you...

[vurbano]

Its scarey. The liberals hate certain groups of people and will destroy them. No more dangerous bigot than a liberal.

[fallout2600]

They're trying to marginalize all conservatives into an "extremist" category.

[msmith198025]

I just hope that this report gets the coverage in the media that it deserves

[fallout2600]

You know Beck will cover it

[msmith198025]

You know Beck will cover it

I hope, I did email it to several news shows (I doubt it will help, but hey, who knows)

[fallout2600]

Its on Drudge Report now

[Carl]

No different then when the right was in charge going after Soros, ACORN, etc.

[HDRoberts]

Having just read the key findings, I fail to see untrue statements. Have we forgot about the radicals blowing up abortion clinics and gay nightclubs? Have we forgotten about Timothy McVeigh (which the report sites)?

I bet many of you would have no problem if they just switched "right wing" with "left wing" and "Christian" with "Atheist."

[msmith198025]

I just wonder when opposing abortion, or illegal imigration became "radical" christian views. For that matter, what is wrong with favoring states rights over federal government control? It seems more of a case of going after people with different ideas than anything else.

[HDRoberts]

I just wonder when opposing abortion, or illegal imigration became "radical" christian views. For that matter, what is wrong with favoring states rights over federal government control? It seems more of a case of going after people with different ideas than anything else.

It becomes radical when your opposition is expressed with guns and bombs.

[msmith198025]

It becomes radical when your opposition is expressed with guns and bombs.

It did not call the people radical. It called the views radical in the example I gave.

People who do what you are talking about are crazy. No argument from me there.
However, they are trying to hard to place this group and normal conservatives in the same boat IMHO.

[fallout2600]

Its also very interesting that this article came out the day before the Tea Parties.

[msmith198025]

Its also very interesting that this article came out the day before the Tea Parties.

You dont think it was planned that way do you? lol

Maybe not, but you are right, it is interesting

[vurbano]

No different then when the right was in charge going after Soros, ACORN, etc.
You cannot equate mainstream conservatism to left wing radical groups. Your answer is just as bad as their attempts to frame conservatives inot some kind of radical group. :augentreher:

[vurbano]

It becomes radical when your opposition is expressed with guns and bombs.
Oh are there bombings planned for the tea parties? I think not.

[HDRoberts]

Oh are there bombings planned for the tea parties? I think not.

Who says we're talking about "tea parties"?

[Madtown HD Junkie]

Its also very interesting that this article came out the day before the Tea Parties.
agreed.....trying to undermine the validity of people thinking the Government is taking too much too often.

[vurbano]

This is so political it reeks. Could you ever imagine a warning like this from homeland security about conservatives under a Republican administration?
BEWARE the DANGEROUS CONSERVATIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!! They have GUNS!!!!!!! They want LOW TAXES!!!!!!!!

[Madtown HD Junkie]

The only solace i find in all this socialistic voo-doo, is all things are cyclical. This too shall pass.

[Carl]

Let's hope not....Obama is making some headway!

[froggigger]

It becomes radical when your opposition is expressed with guns and bombs.

Like the Unibomber, but the extreme left wasn't mentioned. The report was purely political.

[HDRoberts]

Like the Unibomber, but the extreme left wasn't mentioned. The report was purely political.

Well the report was on the Right Wing.

I suppose these were purely political as well?

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Leftwing_Extremist_Threat.pdf

Or how about this one, released right at about the same time in the Bush presidency?

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf

I suppose they were OK?

Oh, as as the news pointed out this morning, these were both started UNDER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

[fallout2600]

Oh, as as the news pointed out this morning, these were both started UNDER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

And Obama is continuing the policy of treating US Citizens as terrorist. So what's your point?

[msmith198025]

I cant read PDF on this computer. It always shuts it down. I will check it tonight, but can you give me an idea of what those links say?

[msmith198025]

And Obama is continuing the policy of treating US Citizens as terrorist. So what's your point?

I agree. I do not care WHO started it. The fact it was released with the language it had is what bothers me. It reads as political in nature.

[HDRoberts]

And Obama is continuing the policy of treating US Citizens as terrorist. So what's your point?

My point is many of you have been insisting that Obama had this report prepared to get conservative thinkers labeled as extremest terrorists. Yet Obama wasn't even the one who had the report prepared.

[msmith198025]

My point is many of you have been insisting that Obama had this report prepared to get conservative thinkers labeled as extremest terrorists. Yet Obama wasn't even the one who had the report prepared.

The only person I see that even remotely mentioned that is Vurb, and the only mention of Obama by name in this thread was by Carl.

Personally, I was upset by the nature of the report, not who it was done under.

[HDRoberts]

The only person I see that even remotely mentioned that is Vurb, and the only mention of Obama by name in this thread was by Carl.

Personally, I was upset by the nature of the report, not who it was done under.

There were 3 I saw.


They're trying to marginalize all conservatives into an "extremist" category.

Who is "they" if not to imply the Obama administration?


This is so political it reeks. Could you ever imagine a warning like this from homeland security about conservatives under a Republican administration?
BEWARE the DANGEROUS CONSERVATIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!! They have GUNS!!!!!!! They want LOW TAXES!!!!!!!!

Political implies it was done by the liberal administration.


Like the Unibomber, but the extreme left wasn't mentioned. The report was purely political.
Same thing, calling the report "political"

[fallout2600]

My point is that the govt shouldn't be marginalizing progressives or conservatives into one group regardless.

[msmith198025]

Oh, as as the news pointed out this morning, these were both started UNDER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.


Do you have a link for this? Everything I have read shows that the report was dated April 7th. I know you said started, but when, and how much was done then?

[msmith198025]

My point is that the govt shouldn't be marginalizing progressives or conservatives into one group regardless.

And it is mine also. Radicals would have sufficed. It was poorly worded, and shoved a large group of people into the same category.

[HDRoberts]

My point is that the govt shouldn't be marginalizing progressives or conservatives into one group regardless.

Very true. But to not acknowledge the threat form extremest on both sides can pose a threat. We were dealing with domestic terrorists before we were worried about Islamic terrorists.

Oklahoma City
http://thevirtuousrepublic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/oklahoma-city-bombing-4.jpg

Atlanta
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/events/1996/olympics/weekly/960805/images/bomb1.jpg

Just a few examples.

[msmith198025]

Yes, those were crazy people.

[fallout2600]

Very true. But to not acknowledge the threat form extremest on both sides can pose a threat. We were dealing with domestic terrorists before we were worried about Islamic terrorists.

Oklahoma City
http://thevirtuousrepublic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/oklahoma-city-bombing-4.jpg

Atlanta
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/events/1996/olympics/weekly/960805/images/bomb1.jpg

Just a few examples.

Thanks for the fear mongering!

[HDRoberts]

Thanks for the fear mongering!

Just pointing out that people have attacked this country who don't wear turbans. Just because we might be more apt to agree with their political goals doesn't mean a few won't take it too far.

[fallout2600]

Just pointing out that people have attacked this country who don't wear turbans. Just because we might be more apt to agree with their political goals doesn't mean a few won't take it too far.

No doubt we've had crazy Americans blowing things up. Um, didn't Obama hang out with a former terrorists?

Just b/c have radical ideas doesn't mean they are going to act on them.

Remember this, these kinds of reports coming out of the govt just give them the ability to infringe on more civil liberties at the cost of "protectionism". Get ready for Patriot Act version 3 soon.

1. USA PATRIOT Act: Warrantless access to bank accounts, email accounts, medical records, phone records, and searches of your home.

2. USA PATRIOT Act II: Secret arrests, seizure of citizenship, extraction of DNA.

[msmith198025]

Just pointing out that people have attacked this country who don't wear turbans. Just because we might be more apt to agree with their political goals doesn't mean a few won't take it too far.

That is true, but again, like I said before, I have a problem with the tone of the report. Telling us to watch ex soldiers, and keep a look out for people with radical christian values, such as against abortion, ect. It makes no distinction, or not enough of one anyway.

[Bear Paws]

Just pointing out that people have attacked this country who don't wear turbans. Just because we might be more apt to agree with their political goals doesn't mean a few won't take it too far. Thats all you could come up with as "proof". I can show you tens of thousands of pictures of left wing atrocities right here in the USA from the Ayers bombings, the burning of Watts, and left wing environmentalist terrorism. Then we can go off shore for a tour of more.

[HDRoberts]

Thats all you could come up with as "proof". I can show you tens of thousands of pictures of left wing atrocities right here in the USA from the Ayers bombings, the burning of Watts, and left wing environmentalist terrorism. Then we can go off shore for a tour of more.

I wasn't pointing fingers at the right. BOTH sides can produce extremists that do horrid things.

Yet it's the left that is politicizing it...:rolleyes:

[msmith198025]

Looks like they are getting some fire for it

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.f518f4e6c90c93ccbc86decf6aca79d 4.161&show_article=1

Good

[msmith198025]

Yet more. She stands by the report

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/


Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said she was briefed before the release of a controversial intelligence assessment and that she stands by the report sent to law enforcement that lists veterans as a terrorist risk to the U.S. and defines "rightwing extremism" as including groups opposed to abortion and immigration.

[Madtown HD Junkie]

The only person I see that even remotely mentioned that is Vurb, and the only mention of Obama by name in this thread was by Carl.

Personally, I was upset by the nature of the report, not who it was done under.

I doubt Obama even knew about the report until it was written. The worst part is someone actually believes the minutia they wrote.

[froggigger]

Well the report was on the Right Wing.

I suppose these were purely political as well?

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Leftwing_Extremist_Threat.pdf

Or how about this one, released right at about the same time in the Bush presidency?

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf

I suppose they were OK?

Oh, as as the news pointed out this morning, these were both started UNDER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

Most of what comes out of DC is political in one way or the other and I don't care which party controls what. The problem is an out of control government.

[vurbano]

I suppose all of our returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan are no longer heroes but rather suspects who need to be watched because they may turn violent and carry out violent lone wolf attacks. Last time I checked Obama was the boss of all government agencies and as such every report is influenced by him. This is not a list of threats to America but rather it is Obama's hit list.