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msmith198025
April 14th, 2009, 07:54 AM
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashtx.htm
fallout2600
April 14th, 2009, 08:57 AM
As they should, this country wasn't founded with the idea of a big central federal govt.
msmith198025
April 14th, 2009, 09:13 AM
:thumbup: I agree 100%. I am suprised this has not been a big issue before now. Earlier it would have been fairly easy to get results, now....maybe not
fallout2600
April 14th, 2009, 09:16 AM
I agree, it will be battle, that's for sure.
froggigger
April 14th, 2009, 08:48 PM
I agree, it will be battle, that's for sure.

The abomination called the 17th amendment makes the battle even harder.
Carl
April 15th, 2009, 08:21 AM
As they should, this country wasn't founded with the idea of a big central federal govt.

Though I think we need the big government to help us now...I am very much for states rights.
msmith198025
April 15th, 2009, 08:39 AM
Though I think we need the big government to help us now...I am very much for states rights.

Are you for big government now at the expense of some states rights though?
fallout2600
April 15th, 2009, 08:49 AM
Though I think we need the big government to help us now...I am very much for states rights.

Sorry, you can't have it both ways. And logically that statement makes no sense. Big govt now will erode more state rights and the states won't get those rights back. The Feds never return power to the states once taken.
HDRoberts
April 15th, 2009, 09:09 AM
The abomination called the 17th amendment makes the battle even harder.

The direct elections of Senators?
Derwin0
April 15th, 2009, 10:07 AM
The direct elections of Senators?Yes, because it took out the States direct role in the Federal gov't.
HDRoberts
April 15th, 2009, 10:25 AM
I fail to see how returning senate elections to the state legislature would make a huge difference.
fallout2600
April 15th, 2009, 11:09 AM
I don't see how 17 would have an effect either.
froggigger
April 15th, 2009, 11:33 PM
I fail to see how returning senate elections to the state legislature would make a huge difference.


I don't see how 17 would have an effect either.

In the original design of the Constitution, the state legislatures' power to appoint, and remove, Senators was an effective check on Congress. The 17th created a fundamental structural problem that has allowed the Fed to expand in every area. As Derwin said, states no longer are represented in DC. It was passed because of frequent deadlocks when state legislatures were trying to select a Senator. States went without a Senator at times. Then, as with anything government, came the unintended consequences. It altered the balance of power.

Under the old system, senators acted as virtual ambassadors of the states. Sometimes, the state legislature instructed senators how to vote, and if the senators did not feel able to obey these instructions, they resigned. The state legislature then appointed a Senator who voted with the state's interest as the overriding factor. This was an important check on federal power that is now gone and is one of the main reasons for the erosion of state authority.