Cop who arrested black scholar is profiling expert

[fallout2600]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99KBEAO1&show_article=1


The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on racial profiling.

Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class on racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.




"I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy," Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.


:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-

The Obama gaffes are getting as good as the Biden gaffes.

[HDRoberts]

Yeah, I'm sure you wouldn't be pissed if the cops hassled you about breaking into your own home.:augentreher:

[Madtown HD Junkie]

I was just shocked Obama said what he said no matter what he thinks.....looked inexperienced.

[fallout2600]

I was just shocked Obama said what he said no matter what he thinks.....looked inexperienced.

Same here, I thought he was gonna stop when he said "I don't know all the facts" and then he kept going.....not a good move.....and then the cop is a trainer in racial profiling....ironic

[vurbano]

Yeah, I'm sure you wouldn't be pissed if the cops hassled you about breaking into your own home.:augentreher:

a neighbor didnt recongnize a black man kicking in a door and police asked to see an ID. WHen the cops tried to leave the man wouldnt shut the heck up and got himself arrested.:augentreher:

[stevenl]

Since when is it against the law to not shut up on your OWN property? Perhaps the cops should of just left after they found out he was the rightful person to be on that property?

[msmith198025]

Since when is it against the law to not shut up on your OWN property? Perhaps the cops should of just left after they found out he was the rightful person to be on that property?

I agree. Of course we do not have all of the facts, but he was in his own house, with I assume, ID.

[froggigger]

Police report.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html

[Derwin0]

Since when is it against the law to not shut up on your OWN property? Perhaps the cops should of just left after they found out he was the rightful person to be on that property?
The problem was, he refused to show ID that he was the owner of the property. Then got belligerent at the cops and yelling racial profiling.

If he had shown his ID in the first place, none of it would happen.

[msmith198025]

The problem was, he refused to show ID that he was the owner of the property. Then got belligerent at the cops and yelling racial profiling.

If he had shown his ID in the first place, none of it would happen.

According to the police report he did show his ID before they arrested him.

Should he have been more reasonable? Sure, although IMO, he did not hhave to be.
I do think he over reacted. He should have been happy that people were watching and the cops got there as fast as they did had there actually been a break in.

A misunderstanding that went to far.

[Derwin0]

According to the police report he did show his ID before they arrested him.

Should he have been more reasonable? Sure, although IMO, he did not hhave to be.
I do think he over reacted. He should have been happy that people were watching and the cops got there as fast as they did had there actually been a break in.

A misunderstanding that went to far.More like a chip on the shoulder that was too big.

If he had shown the ID when asked at first, and then just waited for the officer to verify the ID with Harvard Police, then it would have been handled quickly and quietly. (I've had to show ID to police before, they always verify the ID first before returning it)

Personally, I would have been glad that someone came to check on the place considering it did look like a break in (him forcing the door).

[HDRoberts]

According to the police report he did show his ID before they arrested him.

Should he have been more reasonable? Sure, although IMO, he did not hhave to be.
I do think he over reacted. He should have been happy that people were watching and the cops got there as fast as they did had there actually been a break in.

A misunderstanding that went to far.

No, I'd be disappointed that my neighbors couldn't recognize me, given that I live there.

Cops should have seen the ID and left.

[msmith198025]

No, I'd be disappointed that my neighbors couldn't recognize me, given that I live there.

Cops should have seen the ID and left.

Wasn't it night time? May have been hard to see. Who knows.

I agree that the cops should have left when the identity was known, if the man asked them to.

[HDRoberts]

Wasn't it night time? May have been hard to see. Who knows.

I agree that the cops should have left when the identity was known, if the man asked them to.

Police report says the officer got the call at 12:44PM. It was just after Noon, middle of the day.

The police report shows how ridiculous the charges were. "...loud and tumultuous behavior in a PUBLIC place"? This was his house!

[sniffin aroun]

"I'll speak with your mama outside," Harvard prof told Cambridge cops


now tell me, who here would say this statement to a police officer?
granted, we may have the right to do so, but who thinks this is the smart
way to go? :Shh:

[msmith198025]

Police report says the officer got the call at 12:44PM. It was just after Noon, middle of the day.

The police report shows how ridiculous the charges were. "...loud and tumultuous behavior in a PUBLIC place"? This was his house!

How long had he been living there? Anyone know?

From what I read, he was renting the house from Harvard.
Now he may have been there for years, but he also may have just moved in.

[vurbano]

Officers of all colors support the arrest 100% and call for OBAMA to APOLOGIZE!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090724/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_arresting_officer

the fact of the matter is we have a black rasict activist communist and former ACORN employee for a president and in that moment the sheeps clothing came off and out appeared AL SHARPTON accusing the police of racial profiling and harassing a black man without even knowing what happened.

Nice job Obama.

America beware what you have elected.

[fallout2600]

Obama calls officer:


WASHINGTON – Trying to tamp down an uproar over race, President Barack Obama said Friday he used an unfortunate choice of words in commenting on the arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. and could have "calibrated those words differently."
The president said he had telephoned the white policeman who arrested Gates, and he said the conversation confirmed his belief that the officer was a good man and an outstanding officer.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090724/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_harvard_scholar

[vurbano]

Obama calls officer:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090724/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_harvard_scholar

Lets face it. The question to Obama was a setup he requested inorder to make a race statement and he shot himself in the foot. The Arrogant SOB can't even apologize.:augentreher:

[fallout2600]

Lets face it. The question to Obama was a setup he requested inorder to make a race statement and he shot himself in the foot. The Arrogant SOB can't even apologize.:augentreher:

Yep, you know he's feeling the heat of the health care situation if he played the race card.

[vurbano]

Yep, you know he's feeling the heat of the health care situation if he played the race card.

You know that question was at the end of the questions and really came out of left field.

[stevenl]

He did apologize. He even called the officer to say he chose poor words. He invited the cop to the white house.

[froggigger]

He did apologize. He even called the officer to say he chose poor words. He invited the cop to the white house.

He did not apologize. He made excuses for what he said. "Should have calibrated my words better" or some such.

[Madtown HD Junkie]

Obama, is following deep rooted Democrat principles....snatching defeat from the jaws of the most probable victory:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-

[froggigger]

Obama, is following deep rooted Democrat principles....snatching defeat from the jaws of the most probable victory:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-:free-happy-smileys-

It's a curse. :stupid:

[msmith198025]

He did not apologize. He made excuses for what he said. "Should have calibrated my words better" or some such.

Yeah, he is not handling this well at all

[stevenl]

He did not apologize. He made excuses for what he said. "Should have calibrated my words better" or some such.

He said he misspoke, and he called the officer personally to tell him such. He did choose bad words. and should not of spoke without all the facts.

[fallout2600]

He said he misspoke, and he called the officer personally to tell him such. He did choose bad words. and should not of spoke without all the facts.

I agree, Obama has admitted he screwed up. We need this to be dropped before it becomes dangerous. We have bigger fish to fry.....

[Blackhitachi]

I agree, Obama has admitted he screwed up. We need this to be dropped before it becomes dangerous. We have bigger fish to fry.....Agreed much bigger fish to fry! Also that cop was a piece of shit!! He should have gone left the residence unless this 58 year old man with a walking stick was that much of a threat. Of coarse not the first time a educated black man is looked at as a threat!

[msmith198025]

Agreed much bigger fish to fry! Also that cop was a piece of shit!! He should have gone left the residence unless this 58 year old man with a walking stick was that much of a threat. Of coarse not the first time a educated black man is looked at as a threat!

I simply do not see racism on either side. It is being made into more than it is. BOTH should have used better judgement, but they did not. The owner had no obligation to talk better to the officer, and the officer was called there because of a tip. Better ways to handle it, but that is how it happened.

[Blackhitachi]

I simply do not see racism on either side. It is being made into more than it is. BOTH should have used better judgement, but they did not. The owner had no obligation to talk better to the officer, and the officer was called there because of a tip. Better ways to handle it, but that is how it happened.True to a point but come on how many people break in with luggage!? Even after the man proved it's his home well then its time to go! I do disagree with the President the cop was and is not just stupid he is a stupid retarded moron!!!:thumbdown:

[Blackhitachi]

a neighbor didnt recongnize a black man kicking in a door and police asked to see an ID. WHen the cops tried to leave the man wouldnt shut the heck up and got himself arrested.:augentreher:LOL What are you serious! No you must be messing with us. I will leave it alone!

[msmith198025]

a neighbor didnt recongnize a black man kicking in a door and police asked to see an ID. WHen the cops tried to leave the man wouldnt shut the heck up and got himself arrested.:augentreher:

Apparently she did not know what race they were when she called.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534902,00.html?test=latestnews


"
Contrary to published reports that a 'white woman' called 911 and reported seeing 'two black men' trying to gain entry into Mr. Gates home, the woman, who has olive colored skin and is of Portuguese descent, told the 911 operator that she observed 'two men' at the home," Murphy's statement read.

"It was very clear that she wasn't sure what the men's race was," Haas said in an interview with The Boston Globe Sunday night.

Haas said Whalen, after questioning by the dispatcher during the 911 call, speculated that one of the men — who turned out to be Gates and a black car service driver — may have been Hispanic.

[msmith198025]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/27/911_tape_reveals_caller_did_not_bring_up_race_of_g ates.html

Audio of the 911 call

[HDRoberts]

Well, the woman is in the clear, I'd say. But the 911 operator did ask specifically if they were Hispanic. Evidence profiling may have been a factor, though certainly not the only one.

Also, the tone of this woman's call isn't necessarily evidence of what the cops ultimately did.

I'd venture to say it was first mishandled by Gates. But then the police should have been at least somewhat sympathetic to the guy who is being hassled by the cops over being in his own house, rather than continuing to make the situation worse by continuing the hassling.

[stevenl]

Hassle? So the cops are Hassling you by asking for I.D to prove you live there after they had probable cause?

[msmith198025]

Well, the woman is in the clear, I'd say. But the 911 operator did ask specifically if they were Hispanic. Evidence profiling may have been a factor, though certainly not the only one.

Also, the tone of this woman's call isn't necessarily evidence of what the cops ultimately did.

I'd venture to say it was first mishandled by Gates. But then the police should have been at least somewhat sympathetic to the guy who is being hassled by the cops over being in his own house, rather than continuing to make the situation worse by continuing the hassling.

He asked if they were white, black, or hispanic. I had to listen a couple of times, but he asked it twice

[HDRoberts]

He asked if they were white, black, or hispanic. I had to listen a couple of times, but he asked it twice

I only listened once, but I thought I heard him ask "Are they Hispanic?", but not asking about white or black. Maybe I'm wrong.

[msmith198025]

I only listened once, but I thought I heard him ask "Are they Hispanic?", but not asking about white or black. Maybe I'm wrong.

At first it sounded to me like he asked black or hispanic. I put it back at that point and heard the white part as well. He said, "white, black, or hispanic?"
She was talking at the time, so it was easy to miss

[Bear Paws]

Well, the woman is in the clear, I'd say. But the 911 operator did ask specifically if they were Hispanic. Evidence profiling may have been a factor, though certainly not the only one.

Also, the tone of this woman's call isn't necessarily evidence of what the cops ultimately did.

I'd venture to say it was first mishandled by Gates. But then the police should have been at least somewhat sympathetic to the guy who is being hassled by the cops over being in his own house, rather than continuing to make the situation worse by continuing the hassling. HASSLING?? The only one hassling anyone was the racist Harvard pin head elitist professor. He thinks just because he can dump his racist rant bilge unquestioned on willing bent over undergraduates intimidated by the grade curve police that everyone is going to be awe struck by his snobbish faux accent.

[Skyhi]

Agreed much bigger fish to fry! Also that cop was a piece of shit!! He should have gone left the residence unless this 58 year old man with a walking stick was that much of a threat. Of coarse not the first time a educated black man is looked at as a threat!

The more I think about it, the more I agree with you. Society was not protected by arresting that dude. The only thing it did was stroke the cop's ego.

[Skyhi]

HASSLING?? The only one hassling anyone was the racist Harvard pin head elitist professor. He thinks just because he can dump his racist rant bilge unquestioned on willing bent over undergraduates intimidated by the grade curve police that everyone is going to be awe struck by his snobbish faux accent.


Yes. Hassling. I thought you were a libertarian.

[HDRoberts]

HASSLING?? The only one hassling anyone was the racist Harvard pin head elitist professor. He thinks just because he can dump his racist rant bilge unquestioned on willing bent over undergraduates intimidated by the grade curve police that everyone is going to be awe struck by his snobbish faux accent.


The one being elitist was the cop, who was so pissed that someone was challenging HIS authority, he called in even MORE backup even after they guy showed ID saying he lived there.

Cops have a tendency to have big egos. THEY ARE THE LAW (so they believe). They can't stand anyone challenging that opinion.

Saw this elsewhere. Thought it bared repeating:

"[T]he First Amendment protects a significant amount of verbal criticism and challenge directed at police officers." Hill, 482 U.S. at 461, 107 S.Ct. at 2509.

"The freedom of individuals to oppose or challenge police action verbally without thereby risking arrest is one important characteristic by which we distinguish ourselves from a police state." Id. at 462-63, 107 S.Ct. at 2510.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=482&invol=451

[Blackhitachi]

The one being elitist was the cop, who was so pissed that someone was challenging HIS authority, he called in even MORE backup even after they guy showed ID saying he lived there.

Cops have a tendency to have big egos. THEY ARE THE LAW (so they believe). They can't stand anyone challenging that opinion.

Saw this elsewhere. Thought it bared repeating:

"[T]he First Amendment protects a significant amount of verbal criticism and challenge directed at police officers." Hill, 482 U.S. at 461, 107 S.Ct. at 2509.

"The freedom of individuals to oppose or challenge police action verbally without thereby risking arrest is one important characteristic by which we distinguish ourselves from a police state." Id. at 462-63, 107 S.Ct. at 2510.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=482&invol=451
Great post!!:thumbup:

[Bear Paws]

Yes. Hassling. I thought you were a libertarian. It wasn't the cop that was throwing around the "You Mutha" and "Your Momma" epithets when asked to identify himself. If I where "breaking" into my own home I would be happy to see a cop so promptly and willing would ID myself.

[fallout2600]

Saw this elsewhere. Thought it bared repeating:

"[T]he First Amendment protects a significant amount of verbal criticism and challenge directed at police officers." Hill, 482 U.S. at 461, 107 S.Ct. at 2509.

"The freedom of individuals to oppose or challenge police action verbally without thereby risking arrest is one important characteristic by which we distinguish ourselves from a police state." Id. at 462-63, 107 S.Ct. at 2510.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=482&invol=451

If that precedent has been set, then I side with the President and Gates. You should not be arrested for acting like a fool in your own house.

The police are salaried by us, we should not have to show them monarchical respect if they have no business with us and we haven't broken ANY laws.

[stevenl]

Bear you keep forgetting the fact Gates DID show his ID. And was arrested after the fact.

[vurbano]

Bear you keep forgetting the fact Gates DID show his ID. And was arrested after the fact.

for disturbing the peace, he also said something about taking the officers mother out in the yard? Talking about his mother? What a stuipd F. :augentreher:

I heard on Lou Dobbs that they have discovered that they are really both related to each other. How weird is that?

[vurbano]

Apparently she did not know what race they were when she called.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534902,00.html?test=latestnews


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I know, she never reported them as "black men". So how could it have been racial profiling? There are people out there even threatening this woman's mother over this uppity racist Gates and our racist Presidents stupid statement.

[vurbano]

Hassle? So the cops are Hassling you by asking for I.D to prove you live there after they had probable cause?

Frankly if it were me in my house I would be grateful to the police. What if it hadn't of been me and I came home and everything was GONE?

[markh]

The woman who called didn't report two black men but the police report says they recieved a call to investigate two black men trying to get into the house. Gee, I wonder who put that in there? It surely had to be Obama or Gates trying to cause trouble.

It was hassling after they searched the house, determined there were no buglars, and that Gates was the resident. Given your personality, at least as it comes across here, I doubt you'd be grateful if you had trouble getting into your house then had police accuse you of breaking in and then searching your house. Getting handcuffed and then being hauled to jail. Yeah, he should be really grateful.

[Bear Paws]

Bear you keep forgetting the fact Gates DID show his ID. And was arrested after the fact. No I'm not forgetting he showed the police his HAAAAAVARRRRD ID.. And after that kept hassling and calling out the cop. Calling the cop everything from being a xxxx racist to insulting the cops mother..As the cop was leaving the moron kept following him and name calling and generally being disrespectful, causing a scene and being a nuisance on his front porch to where the neighbors where getting appalled at this racist clown of a Professor of Black history at Haaaaaavvvvarrrrd.

[stevenl]

No I'm not forgetting he showed the police his HAAAAAVARRRRD ID.. And after that kept hassling and calling out the cop. Calling the cop everything from being a xxxx racist to insulting the cops mother..As the cop was leaving the moron kept following him and name calling and generally being disrespectful, causing a scene and being a nuisance on his front porch to where the neighbors where getting appalled at this racist clown of a Professor of Black history at Haaaaaavvvvarrrrd.

Really thats how it happend? Certainly the Professor was being an asshole, but in this country thats not against the law. I can call a cops mom whatever I want while on my property and I shouldnt be put in hand cuffs.

Arent you a property rights kind of guy? This cop should of went to his car and left after he verified who was the home owner. Instead of staying and engageing in the conflict.

[vurbano]

Really thats how it happend? Certainly the Professor was being an asshole, but in this country thats not against the law. I can call a cops mom whatever I want while on my property and I shouldnt be put in hand cuffs. If you are on your front lawn shouting about his mother your ass should be locked up for disturbing the peace. Flip the officer off too while you are at it and see what happens. Maybe it will teach you how to act in public. :augentreher:

[HDRoberts]

If you are on your front lawn shouting about his mother your ass should be locked up for disturbing the peace. Flip the officer off too while you are at it and see what happens. Maybe it will teach you how to act in public. :augentreher:

It's not public, it is private property.

So I get it, righties are only for private property rights when it comes to stuff they approve of. Smoking next to children, gunplay, organizing a revolt against a democratically elected president, that's OK. Free speech and gay behavior, that is not permitted.

[stevenl]

I guess you wish we were more like Nkorea, Iran, etc?

[msmith198025]

It's not public, it is private property.

So I get it, righties are only for private property rights when it comes to stuff they approve of. Smoking next to children, gunplay, organizing a revolt against a democratically elected president, that's OK. Free speech and gay behavior, that is not permitted.

Good point.

However, you can be on private property and still get charged with public disturbance.

Not that I agree with this guy being arrested.

[Bear Paws]

Really thats how it happend? Certainly the Professor was being an asshole, but in this country thats not against the law. I can call a cops mom whatever I want while on my property and I shouldnt be put in hand cuffs.

Arent you a property rights kind of guy? This cop should of went to his car and left after he verified who was the home owner. Instead of staying and engageing in the conflict.


It's not public, it is private property.

So I get it, righties are only for private property rights when it comes to stuff they approve of. Smoking next to children, gunplay, organizing a revolt against a democratically elected president, that's OK. Free speech and gay behavior, that is not permitted. Not if its heard or is visable to the public and generally considered obscene, lewd, vile, or hate speech..
Try standing on your front lawn and start mooning the the people on the street..or porking your wife/girlfriend/ boyfriend...
better yet.. Let Vurb (sorry vurb, your a convenient innocent bystander) stand on his front lawn and give a racist hate speech so that the neighbors can hear him. Maybe while wearing a hood and displaying Ole Glory in front of burning cross. All on "your" his private property's front lawn. Then talk to me about property rights and your tolerance, equality, and free speech rights.

Not only would you have him frogged marched to jail but you would be demanding a firing from his "state" job.

[stevenl]

Not if its heard or is visable to the public and generally considered obscene, lewd, vile, or hate speech..
Try standing on your front lawn and start mooning the the people on the street..or porking your wife/girlfriend/ boyfriend...
better yet.. Let Vurb (sorry vurb, your a convenient innocent bystander) stand on his front lawn and give a racist hate speech so that the neighbors can hear him. Maybe while wearing a hood and displaying Ole Glory in front of burning cross. All on "your" his private property's front lawn. Then talk to me about property rights and your tolerance, equality, and free speech rights.

Not only would you have him frogged marched to jail but you would be demanding a firing from his "state" job.


Really Bear? You cant stand on your yard in your klan suite giving a speech? I think you can. In fact you can even burn that cross and have your buddies sit around the fire. As far as the having sex thing goes, personally I wouldnt have a problem with it, but legally its against the law because you are exposeing yourself, youd really be in trouble if a kid saw. However there is a big difference in having sex on the front lawn and giving a racist speech. Now if you want to bang in your backyard with your privacy fence hiding everything by all means.

The easy answer here is, if Mr. Gates really did violate the law and deserved to be arressted why were no charges filed? Why is he not prepareing for a trial? Perhaps its because the police, the prosecuter, everyone agrees there is no crime. Gates was arressted because this cop couldnt stand his authority being questioned.

[fallout2600]

No I'm not forgetting he showed the police his HAAAAAVARRRRD ID.. And after that kept hassling and calling out the cop. Calling the cop everything from being a xxxx racist to insulting the cops mother..As the cop was leaving the moron kept following him and name calling and generally being disrespectful, causing a scene and being a nuisance on his front porch to where the neighbors where getting appalled at this racist clown of a Professor of Black history at Haaaaaavvvvarrrrd.

Gates may be a racist, Gates may be a liberation theologist, but he broke NO LAW, therefore the arrest was wrong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5UXT25JcmQ

[HDRoberts]

Not if its heard or is visable to the public and generally considered obscene, lewd, vile, or hate speech..
Try standing on your front lawn and start mooning the the people on the street..or porking your wife/girlfriend/ boyfriend...
better yet.. Let Vurb (sorry vurb, your a convenient innocent bystander) stand on his front lawn and give a racist hate speech so that the neighbors can hear him. Maybe while wearing a hood and displaying Ole Glory in front of burning cross. All on "your" his private property's front lawn. Then talk to me about property rights and your tolerance, equality, and free speech rights.

Not only would you have him frogged marched to jail but you would be demanding a firing from his "state" job.

yo' mama jokes are "vile hate speech"? Since when did anyone say he mooned anyone? And her was in his house for most of it, not in public view. Please, Bear.

Why don't you read through that supreme court decision I posted. See what distinguishes us from a police state.

[Bear Paws]

yo' mama jokes are "vile hate speech"? Since when did anyone say he mooned anyone? And her was in his house for most of it, not in public view. Please, Bear.

Why don't you read through that supreme court decision I posted. See what distinguishes us from a police state. Mooned?? Who??

[HDRoberts]

Mooned?? Who??

You bought it up.

Yeah, if you mooned people from your front yard, maybe you could be arrested for disturbing the peace. But Gates was doing none of that.