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cybok0
April 11th, 2009, 05:10 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/30160248#30160248

fallout2600
April 11th, 2009, 05:17 PM
It primary political motive is Fair Tax.

Bear Paws
April 11th, 2009, 10:52 PM
Put a bag over here head.
My sign will read "Can you here us now?

vurbano
April 12th, 2009, 08:27 AM
I wonder how many Knee pads MSNBC issues every day. Put a bag over here head.
My sign will read "Can you here us now?:Shh: Thats a sexual inference :05:

Madtown HD Junkie
April 12th, 2009, 11:08 AM
The tea parties are a great idea imo. Anyone who thinks paying more taxes is a good idea is delusional. The Government should work for us not us for the government.

Nooblet the LEET
April 12th, 2009, 01:22 PM
No taxation without... Think the teabaggers could fill that in? Apparently they missed some history.


The tea parties are a great idea imo. Anyone who thinks paying more taxes is a good idea is delusional. The Government should work for us not us for the government.
Well I look forward to your budget plan that will balance the budget, tackle the debt, and get our economy back on track while further reducing taxes.

This is whining and nothing more, especially in the face of recent tax cuts.

msmith198025
April 12th, 2009, 02:07 PM
Well I look forward to your budget plan that will balance the budget, tackle the debt, and get our economy back on track while further reducing taxes.

This is whining and nothing more, especially in the face of recent tax cuts.
Which tax cuts are you refering to, and for what groups? Not everyone seemed to have gotten them

Nooblet the LEET
April 12th, 2009, 02:21 PM
Which tax cuts are you refering to, and for what groups? Not everyone seemed to have gotten them

The tax cuts were part of the stimulus package.

Here's part of an MSNBC article on it.

Source (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29314485)


WASHINGTON - The notoriously slow Congress passed the $787 billion economic stimulus package in a matter of weeks. President Barack Obama signed it into law less than one month into his presidency.

So, just how soon will Americans start reaping the benefits of tax cuts in it?

By April 1, according to the president.

"Never before in our history has a tax cut taken effect faster or gone to so many hardworking Americans," Obama said Saturday in his weekly radio and Internet address.

He said the Treasury Department has begun directing employers to reduce the amount of taxes withheld from people's paychecks in accordance with the new law, and that in six weeks, a typical family will start taking home at least $65 more every month.

Obama says his signature "Making Work Pay" tax break will affect 95 percent of working families.

The $400 credit for individuals is to be doled out through the rest of the year. Couples are slated to get up to $800. Most workers are to see about a $13 per week increase in their take-home pay. In 2010, the credit would be about $7.70 a week, if it is spread over the entire year.

froggigger
April 12th, 2009, 06:41 PM
The tax cuts were part of the stimulus package.

Here's part of an MSNBC article on it.

Source (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29314485)

Have some more Kool-aid. It's truly disturbing that people take what politicians tell them at face value and don't bother checking the facts. Obama's "tax cuts" are an illusion. They reduce the immediate tax burden for certain taxpayers by increasing the federal deficit. Changing from tax-financed spending to deficit-financed spending does little to change the existing division of resources between the private and public sector.

A true tax cut shifts resources into the private sector. Obama's tax cuts are, quite simply, deferred taxation. IOW, spend now and pay later. The deficits created will increase the interest payments by the government, divert money in capital markets away from private investment, and, when all is said and done, result in higher future tax rates.

The "tax cuts" do nothing to stimulate the economy. It just keeps a big part of the economy in the public sector. There is no real tax cut. You have been fooled by Obama's rhetoric. He promised change but his tax policy changes nothing. His tax cuts and fiscal stimulus are nothing short of a myth. Even Paul Krugman doesn't buy it, and he's a big government Keynesian to the core.

Bear Paws
April 12th, 2009, 11:38 PM
:Shh: Thats a sexual inference :05: Trouble maker... I got yelled at over it because of you. Don't people that genuflect a lot occasionally wear knee pads??

Bear Paws
April 12th, 2009, 11:52 PM
The tax cuts were part of the stimulus package.

Here's part of an MSNBC article on it.

Source (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29314485) What frogger said and;
A lot of what was in the so called "stimulus" under the guise of a tax cut was really a tax rebate. The tax rate was NOT cut..The rebated taxes will still have to be repaid as taxable income by most because its what you should have paid under the current rate. Its now just deferred (kicked down the road) until next year. It will be in your taxable income line. Hope your not spending it. You are taking home more this year but you will owe it back next year. Its like you claimed a extra dependent for less withholding on your W-2 that you really don't have.
Welcome to the allusion world of the David Copperfield of politics. Or is that delusional??.....

stevenl
April 12th, 2009, 11:55 PM
Trouble maker... I got yelled at over it because of you. Don't people that genuflect a lot occasionally wear knee pads??

Over saying kneepads.. Serioursly. wow.

This whole tea party thing is nothing but an attempt by talk radio to be relavant again.

Nooblet the LEET
April 13th, 2009, 05:55 PM
Have some more Kool-aid. It's truly disturbing that people take what politicians tell them at face value and don't bother checking the facts.


Welcome to the allusion world of the David Copperfield of politics. Or is that delusional??.....
Try toning back the paranoia a little there guys.


Obama's "tax cuts" are an illusion. They reduce the immediate tax burden for certain taxpayers by increasing the federal deficit.

Changing from tax-financed spending to deficit-financed spending does little to change the existing division of resources between the private and public sector.

A true tax cut shifts resources into the private sector. Obama's tax cuts are, quite simply, deferred taxation. IOW, spend now and pay later. The deficits created will increase the interest payments by the government, divert money in capital markets away from private investment, and, when all is said and done, result in higher future tax rates.

The "tax cuts" do nothing to stimulate the economy. It just keeps a big part of the economy in the public sector. There is no real tax cut. You have been fooled by Obama's rhetoric. He promised change but his tax policy changes nothing. His tax cuts and fiscal stimulus are nothing short of a myth. Even Paul Krugman doesn't buy it, and he's a big government Keynesian to the core.
See here's the thing. I didn't agree with the bailouts and stimulus nonsense either. It only went through because the Wall street financial sector has an influential lobby group and becasue government officials wanted to make it look like they were doing something useful. What annoyed me about the whole mess was how the manufacturing sector largely got the shaft afterwards, of course it wasn't them that put us in this position.


What frogger said and;
A lot of what was in the so called "stimulus" under the guise of a tax cut was really a tax rebate. The tax rate was NOT cut..The rebated taxes will still have to be repaid as taxable income by most because its what you should have paid under the current rate. Its now just deferred (kicked down the road) until next year. It will be in your taxable income line. Hope your not spending it. You are taking home more this year but you will owe it back next year. Its like you claimed a extra dependent for less withholding on your W-2 that you really don't have.
Nitpickers.

If I described it as tax credit or tax Relief would that get your panties unhinged?

Back sort of on topic. The whole teabagging thing would work better as a gay rights protest considering all the jokes that are coming along with it.

Bear Paws
April 13th, 2009, 06:46 PM
Try toning back the paranoia a little there guys.


See here's the thing. I didn't agree with the bailouts and stimulus nonsense either. It only went through because the Wall street financial sector has an influential lobby group and becasue government officials wanted to make it look like they were doing something useful. What annoyed me about the whole mess was how the manufacturing sector largely got the shaft afterwards, of course it wasn't them that put us in this position.


Nitpickers.

If I described it as tax credit or tax Relief would that get your panties unhinged from your sandy vagina's?

Back sort of on topic. The whole teabagging thing would work better as a gay rights protest considering all the jokes that are coming along with it. Hmmmm you afraid of not getting our money to support those leftist dingbat programs.

That's going to be a pretty big nit for some that never paid taxes before.. Let alone to have to write a check to the IRS.:free-happy-smileys-

froggigger
April 13th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Try toning back the paranoia a little there guys.

See here's the thing. I didn't agree with the bailouts and stimulus nonsense either. It only went through because the Wall street financial sector has an influential lobby group and becasue government officials wanted to make it look like they were doing something useful. What annoyed me about the whole mess was how the manufacturing sector largely got the shaft afterwards, of course it wasn't them that put us in this position.

Nitpickers.

If I described it as tax credit or tax Relief would that get your panties unhinged from your sandy vagina's?

Back sort of on topic. The whole teabagging thing would work better as a gay rights protest considering all the jokes that are coming along with it.

Truth is not paranoia, and everything I said was the truth. I don't care what YOU call it, government is calling it a tax cut. It's no such thing, and that's what Bear and I were pointing out. If that's nitpicking then we're guilty.

Nooblet the LEET
April 13th, 2009, 09:08 PM
Hmmmm you afraid of not getting our money to support those leftist dingbat programs.
Leftist programs such as?


Truth is not paranoia, and everything I said was the truth. I don't care what YOU call it, government is calling it a tax cut. It's no such thing, and that's what Bear and I were pointing out. If that's nitpicking then we're guilty.
Officially its being called a tax credit but the media is reporting whats in the stimulus as tax cuts.

You're right it's not really a tax cut, and you're guilty.

froggigger
April 13th, 2009, 09:36 PM
Leftist programs such as?


Officially its being called a tax credit but the media is reporting whats in the stimulus as tax cuts.

You're right it's not really a tax cut, and you're guilty.

So you redefined nitpicking to mean telling the truth? Are you sure you're not a card-carrying liberal? :nana: :)

Bear Paws
April 14th, 2009, 03:15 PM
[QUOTE]Leftist programs such as?

Every entitlement program since FDR.

Definition: Leftist programs knowingly create perpetual votes; rightist programs don't create perpetual votes at all. Leftist view government as the solution; rightists view government as a necessary evil.


Officially its being called a tax credit but the media is reporting whats in the stimulus as tax cuts.That's not to mention that governmental leftists and their dominant complicit media are unfailingly smug, elitist, condescending, and self-important liars.. Maybe you should understand their Official Language to describe the great rape of the common American Citizen..


You're right it's not really a tax cut, and you're guilty. I love being guilty of telling the truth and shedding light on the lies of Liberals and Progressives. I just wish I didn't have to...

Bear Paws
April 14th, 2009, 03:34 PM
So you redefined nitpicking to mean telling the truth? Are you sure you're not a card-carrying liberal? :nana: :) He is still a nooblet.. A young liberal much like maybe you and I where :Shh: when we where kids,.... young and dumb with a skull full of mush..

For me the sea change happened at sixteen when my father died and I had to go earn a living or starve. It was then I began to understand everything he had been trying to tell me about real life, responsibly and self reliance. I soon realized what a smart man he really was and I should have listened more when he spoke so I wouldn't have struggled and made so many of my own mistakes too.. Mistakes that NOBODY was there to pick me up from but myself. No one even there to yell GET UP..Just the memory of his voice. "Get Up and take care of yourself, I won't be around forever to take care of you...And no one else will or can like you can."

vurbano
April 14th, 2009, 04:12 PM
Trouble maker... I got yelled at over it because of you. Don't people that genuflect a lot occasionally wear knee pads??
funny. Well now you are a member of the club. Ive been yelled at several times.

Carl
April 14th, 2009, 06:01 PM
funny. Well now you are a member of the club. Ive been yelled at several times.

If you read what you wrote you should get yelled at.:free-happy-smileys-:026:

Nooblet the LEET
April 14th, 2009, 06:52 PM
So you redefined nitpicking to mean telling the truth? Are you sure you're not a card-carrying liberal? :nana: :)
Communist.

Did I just hear Bear have a heart attack?

I'm kidding BTW. And I did mention that you were correct didn't I? ;)

Every entitlement program since FDR.

Definition: Leftist programs knowingly create perpetual votes; rightist programs don't create perpetual votes at all. Leftist view government as the solution; rightists view government as a necessary evil.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/funkyd15/bunny-pancake.gif


That's not to mention that governmental leftists and their dominant complicit media are unfailingly smug, elitist, condescending, and self-important liars.. Maybe you should understand their Official Language to describe the great rape of the common American Citizen..

I love being guilty of telling the truth and shedding light on the lies of Liberals and Progressives. I just wish I didn't have to...
Quit wasting my time with your paranoid rantings and concentrate on giving me something more coherent than the half baked train of thought you provided above.

Bear Paws
April 14th, 2009, 08:02 PM
[QUOTE]Communist.

Did I just hear Bear have a heart attack? Not to worry... I had dealt with real Communists in the old USSR, Hungary and East Germany for 12 years in the 60s and 70s,...up close and dirty. Your just a wanna be...


I'm kidding BTW. And I did mention that you were correct didn't I? ;) I'm not. Of course he is correct...


Quit wasting my time with your paranoid rantings and concentrate on giving me something more coherent than the half baked train of thought you provided above.Hmmmm. Incoherency is often the listeners inability to comprehend cohesive logic. Irrational Disbelief in the face of facts is a form of paranoia, as is blind belief in the cult of dogma when other concepts may be superior.

vurbano
April 14th, 2009, 08:10 PM
If you read what you wrote you should get yelled at.:free-happy-smileys-:026:I read what you write and wonder what commune you are growing up in.

Derwin0
April 15th, 2009, 06:56 AM
Well, in honor of "teabag day", I now have a teabag hanging outside my office door. Now to think about finishing up my State & Local Income Taxes.
Thankfully Pennsylvania has a flat tax, so it should only take about 5 minutes.

cybok0
April 15th, 2009, 07:18 AM
Well, in honor of "teabag day", I now have a teabag hanging outside my office door. Now to think about finishing up my State & Local Income Taxes.
Thankfully Pennsylvania has a flat tax, so it should only take about 5 minutes.

One of the towns next to me is 1.5% tax. Everyone else around here is 1%.

Derwin0
April 15th, 2009, 07:21 AM
One of the towns next to me is 1.5% tax. Everyone else around here is 1%.
A couple around me range from 1.2% up to 1.7%, but luckily my Township is only 1%. Which is good, since work only withholds 1%, so I never have to send anything in.

cybok0
April 15th, 2009, 07:23 AM
A couple around me range from 1.2% up to 1.7%, but luckily my Township is only 1%. Which is good, since work only withholds 1%, so I never have to send anything in.


My work doesn't do that. I have to pay every year.