Black kids kicked out of "private" philly pool

[msmith198025]

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html


The explanation they got was either dishearteningly honest or poorly worded.

"There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club," John Duesler, President of The Valley Swim Club said in a statement.

Wow, whoever came up with this excuse is an idiot

[Derwin0]

The private club leased the pool to the daycamp for $1900, then kicked them out.

The daycamp should immediately sue the club for violating the contract.
After the lawyer fees and bad publicity garnered from this, you can bet the club management will regret this ever happened.

[HDRoberts]

Unfortunate incident. But I suspect there is more to the story.

Still, I bet it wouldn't be news is it was a pool not allowing whites. It's a private club, they should be able to do what they want.

[msmith198025]

Unfortunate incident. But I suspect there is more to the story.

Still, I bet it wouldn't be news is it was a pool not allowing whites. It's a private club, they should be able to do what they want.

I suspect there is more to it as well, did the camp break some rules? Were the kids causing problems? Taunting other kids? Could be anything
I am just amazed that they would put out such a poorly worded reason for asking them to leave.Someone did not think it through.

That said, IF it turns out that it is for race only, I hope that is brought to lite and there are repercussions

[Bear Paws]

Seems pretty obvious to me.. The Snob Hill Club didn't check the color of the campers before renting to them... Had they known the kids where from the ghetto the pool would have been full and no room available..

Actually if it wasn't so disgusting it had to be funny to watch a bunch of insanely horrified and shrill long nose elitist hussy snobs running to grab their kids, pulling and dragging them out of the way of danger as the black hoard descended on the pool..

[HDRoberts]

I find it odd the "libertarian" crowd isn't supporting the right of property owners to admit only whom they choose. You were are all for restaurants letting people smoke despite smoking bans, but are against this? Seems contradictory to me.

[stevenl]

If I own a club or a restaraunt or anything it should be my right to pick who I want to work and shop and visit.

[Skyhi]

I find it odd the "libertarian" crowd isn't supporting the right of property owners to admit only whom they choose. You were are all for restaurants letting people smoke despite smoking bans, but are against this? Seems contradictory to me.
I'm in that crowd and I do support the property owners right to decide who to lease the pool to. In this case, they decided to lease the pool to the camp and they backed out.

As Derwin said, the club breached and the camp should sue.

[Skyhi]

Seems pretty obvious to me.. The Snob Hill Club didn't check the color of the campers before renting to them... Had they known the kids where from the ghetto the pool would have been full and no room available..

Actually if it wasn't so disgusting it had to be funny to watch a bunch of insanely horrified and shrill long nose elitist hussy snobs running to grab their kids, pulling and dragging them out of the way of danger as the black hoard descended on the pool..

Man do I wish a videotape existed. I'm sure it's hilarious! :) :)

[stevenl]

The white kids probably left the pool to make sure their stuff wouldnt be stolen.

[Derwin0]

A local private school stepped up and offered the camp the use of their pool
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Campers-Complexion-No-Problem-for-New-Pool.html

Additionally, Snarlen Arlen is looking into the situation.
The Valley Swim Club better make sure it's licences and permits are up to date, because the local & state gov'ts are sure to be checking them out throughly.
Plus any community events they host can be forgotten about as I'm sure the localities will no longer have anything to do with them. Boycotts can really hurt.

[msmith198025]

The white kids probably left the pool to make sure their stuff wouldnt be stolen.

Well that is a smart comment. You see NOTHING wrong with this at all?

Sure it is their right to admit who they want, but they did get paid before hand, and as it seems, only kicked them out after. If there is something else we do not know that is one thing. To do it because of color, after they had paid, is another. '
Besides being backwards and stupid, it is a breach of contract, as already pointed out.

[msmith198025]

Man do I wish a videotape existed. I'm sure it's hilarious! :) :)

Lol, I am sure

[stevenl]

Well that is a smart comment. You see NOTHING wrong with this at all?

Sure it is their right to admit who they want, but they did get paid before hand, and as it seems, only kicked them out after. If there is something else we do not know that is one thing. To do it because of color, after they had paid, is another. '
Besides being backwards and stupid, it is a breach of contract, as already pointed out.

They didnt know before hand. They offered a full refund. Its not like they are stealing the money.

[Derwin0]

Man do I wish a videotape existed. I'm sure it's hilarious! :) :)
I had visions of the pool scene from Caddyshack :)

[msmith198025]

I had visions of the pool scene from Caddyshack :)

Lol, that is exactly what I was thinking!!!:free-happy-smileys-

[msmith198025]

They didnt know before hand. They offered a full refund. Its not like they are stealing the money.

Did not know what?

[stevenl]

They were a bunch of rowdy N's.

[msmith198025]

They were a bunch of rowdy N's.

How do you know? I did not see that in the story, although I may have missed it.
For that matter, how do you know that they were rowdy at all? If they were, were they kicked out because of that, or because of color?
Did the contract state no blacks allowed?


If so, then I still think it deserves press for that reason alone.

[stevenl]

Have you have see a group of 65 black kids not get rowdy?

Specially 65 urban black kids.

[msmith198025]

Have you have see a group of 65 black kids not get rowdy?

Specially 65 urban black kids.

Oh, so you just assume? With no proof to that fact whatsoever. Got it. Then it must be true:rolleyes:

[stevenl]

I dont blame them. The last time I took my kids to the public pool it was crowded with black kids. Who seemd to think they were better then anyone else and had more of a right to be there then my kids. We quickly left after they wanted to start trouble.

What was our solution? We bought our own pool.

Perhaps this daycare should do the same to keep their animals in and away from the public.

[msmith198025]

Steven, I sincerely hope you do not actually believe the stuff you are posting here based on race alone. If so, that is of course your right. It is just sad is all.

[stevenl]

The real world is there for all to see. Open your eyes you will see it to. No need to be apologetic. The facts speak for themselves.

Just look around. go to any public area in a "black" neighborhood and see how well it is. Go to any public area not in a black area but being overrun with blacks and see how well it is.

[msmith198025]

Steven, I would almost assure you that I have been around, and work around (and employ) as many or more black people than anyone here. There is no difference in races and how they act based on race alone.
There are bad people of every color. To not see that, IMO, is living a very sheltered life.

[stevenl]

What 30% of the population and 90% of the Prison population...

Fact is the good ones are not anywhere near the majority and are far and few between.

[msmith198025]

Just look around. go to any public area in a "black" neighborhood and see how well it is. Go to any public area not in a black area but being overrun with blacks and see how well it is.
I have been to some very nice black neighborhoods. I have also been to some VERY rough white trailer parks. So again, I say, race alone does not make one bad or good.
You are making a very unfair generalization IMO. You assume these black kids were in the wrong, with nothing to back it up. Yet anyway. We do not have all the facts.

[stevenl]

I didnt say the kids did anything wrong. I said they should of stayed on their side of the tracks

and how is it unfair? The numbers do not lie.

[msmith198025]

I didnt say the kids did anything wrong. I said they should of stayed on their side of the tracks

and how is it unfair? The numbers do not lie.
You called them "rowdy" with nothing to prove that. So you either assume they got kicked out because of that, or you say they should not have been there because they are black alone.

I guess you cleared that up with this post as well...

[stevenl]

I called them Rowdy N's to be exact. I figured that cleared up the black part.

[msmith198025]

I called them Rowdy N's to be exact. I figured that cleared up the black part.

Yes it did...again, I say, pretty sad outlook. You are welcome to it, I am just glad I do not share it.

[stevenl]

The turth is painful.

When white people stop feeling sorry for themselves they all will see the same truth.

[Skyhi]

Have you have see a group of 65 black kids not get rowdy?



Yes. Everyday when I was in high-school.

[Blackhitachi]

Unfortunate incident. But I suspect there is more to the story.

Still, I bet it wouldn't be news is it was a pool not allowing whites. It's a private club, they should be able to do what they want.Sure it would be a story! It just doesn't happen.:026:

[Bear Paws]

I find it odd the "libertarian" crowd isn't supporting the right of property owners to admit only whom they choose. You were are all for restaurants letting people smoke despite smoking bans, but are against this? Seems contradictory to me.Nothing has changed. I think they should have the right to be exclusionary but I'm not certain how that squares up with current law. I would say the law was wrong if it did not allow for it. They entered into a contract without stipulations pertaining to race and/or color thus they gave away some of those exclusionary rights. They don't have to honor that contract I supposed but I'm nor certain what grounds they have for breaking it..Nondisclosure?
Now... is what they did legal? Probably.. Was it right? No! The vision of the chaotic frenzy is funny.. I feel awful for the black kids but that's real life and in the mean time I hope the white kids parents come down with a case joblessness, homelessness and get ghettoizes.

[Bear Paws]

And from a cultural aspect I have to agree with Steve. If this tread is still hot tomorrow I'll add commentary.

[Derwin0]

I have been to some very nice black neighborhoods. I have also been to some VERY rough white trailer parks. So again, I say, race alone does not make one bad or good.

Nope it's not race, it's social-economical status. People from middle to high income areas tend to be well behaved, and people form low income areas do not. Color is irreverent. It appears to be the cause because there are many low income minority areas on the news, but if you get a bunch of white kids from a poor area, you'll have the same issues as a bunch of black kids from a similarly poor area.

[Derwin0]

Yes. Everyday when I was in high-school.
Same here, I grew up in rural Georgia. Butts County was about a third black, so I saw plenty of people well behaved in school and church that were black. I also saw plenty of whites that weren't.
The key was that all the troublemakers (black & white) tended to be from disadvantaged (ie poor) families.

[msmith198025]

Nope it's not race, it's social-economical status. People from middle to high income areas tend to be well behaved, and people form low income areas do not. Color is irreverent. It appears to be the cause because there are many low income minority areas on the news, but if you get a bunch of white kids from a poor area, you'll have the same issues as a bunch of black kids from a similarly poor area.

Exactly

[HD MM]

The private club leased the pool to the daycamp for $1900, then kicked them out.

The daycamp should immediately sue the club for violating the contract.
After the lawyer fees and bad publicity garnered from this, you can bet the club management will regret this ever happened.

Where's Sky? I think we've found his first case! Jump on it buddy! :)

[HD MM]

Seems pretty obvious to me.. The Snob Hill Club didn't check the color of the campers before renting to them... Had they known the kids where from the ghetto the pool would have been full and no room available..
Actually if it wasn't so disgusting it had to be funny to watch a bunch of insanely horrified and shrill long nose elitist hussy snobs running to grab their kids, pulling and dragging them out of the way of danger as the black hoard descended on the pool..

Lol. Funny, but sad isn't it. :)

[HD MM]

Stevenl, you're really one SAD individual. I can't believe some of the crap you're saying here!

[stevenl]

I live a very happy life.

[msmith198025]

I live a very happy life.

I am fairly certain that he means your views on race are sad in his opinion. The same thing I told you. But again, they are yours, and you have every right to have them.

[stevenl]

In the black culture going to prison is looked at with more respect then going to college. Fix that and my views may change. Granted its not all but it is a powerful majority of them

[Skyhi]

In the black culture going to prison is looked at with more respect then going to college. Fix that and my views may change. Granted its not all but it is a powerful majority of them

How do you know anything about black culture? Do you ever interact with large groups of black people? You said yourself that you bought a pool so you wouldn't have to be around black people.

My high school was 75% black (out of 2400 students). I was in the minority. Most of us wanted to go to college....none of us wanted to go to prison.

[HD MM]

How do you know anything about black culture? Do you ever interact with large groups of black people? You said yourself that you bought a pool so you wouldn't have to be around black people.

My high school was 75% black (out of 2400 students). I was in the minority. Most of us wanted to go to college....none of us wanted to go to prison.

Funny thing is, most people who are rascist are the ones who have no interaction with the race they're stereotyping. Stereotyping is a made-up description to explain the unfamiliar. StevenL is doing exactly this.

[stevenl]

Plenty of experiance with dealing with blacks. From my youth and even now as an adult. Listen to black music. Watch bet and id bet anything our resident african american will agree completely with the statement I made above.

And I am hardly a racist. Ill gladly point out the faults from white people to if you want to start that thread. The backwoods hillbillies whom the gop draws as their base is not much better then the blacks I speak of who make up a base of the democrats

[Skyhi]

Plenty of experiance with dealing with blacks. From my youth and even now as an adult. Listen to black music. Watch bet and id bet anything our resident african american will agree completely with the statement I made above.

And I am hardly a racist. Ill gladly point out the faults from white people to if you want to start that thread. The backwoods hillbillies whom the gop draws as their base is not much better then the blacks I speak of who make up a base of the democrats

LMFAO!!!! The examples of your experience dealing with black people is listening to black music and watching BET?!?!?!

[stevenl]

I don't watch bet. But I do listen to rap music. I poorly worded that statement it shoud read " go ahead listen to black music and watch bet see if they don't glamorise prison and hate on being educated in their culture is' somthing like that

[Derwin0]

Plenty of experiance with dealing with blacks. From my youth and even now as an adult. Listen to black music. Watch bet and id bet anything our resident african american will agree completely with the statement I made above.
cRap is not the only "black" music out there. Ever hear of R&B or soul?
For example, Michael Jackson who just died, his music is nothing like that.

Not to mention there are several white rappers out there putting out the same crap, Emminem for example.

[Skyhi]

I don't watch bet. But I do listen to rap music. I poorly worded that statement it shoud read " go ahead listen to black music and watch bet see if they don't glamorise prison and hate on being educated in their culture is' somthing like that

Ok. I give up. You're right. We need to fix black culture. After that, lets fix white culture. I was watching My Super Sweet 16 on MTV and was disgusted how white culture glamorizes being spoiled, ungrateful b*tches.

[stevenl]

Michael jackson is certainly the exception to the rule. He of course didn't play "black" music he played pop music which typically the black community do not like. But again mihael is the exception.

And as far as eminem go. He is targeting that same audience and culture and pulling white kids into that culture.

[stevenl]

Ok. I give up. You're right. We need to fix black culture. After that, lets fix white culture. I was watching My Super Sweet 16 on MTV and was disgusted how white culture glamorizes being spoiled, ungrateful b*tches.

I agree the whole country needs fixin but let's do it triage style and take care of the biggest problem first then we can work on the spoiled teens

[Skyhi]

I agree the whole country needs fixin but let's do it triage style and take care of the biggest problem first then we can work on the spoiled teens

Sounds good. Since BET and MTV are such an accurate reflection of their targeted audiences, lets check out CMT to see how we can fix hillbillies.

[HD MM]

I don't watch bet. But I do listen to rap music. I poorly worded that statement it shoud read " go ahead listen to black music and watch bet see if they don't glamorise prison and hate on being educated in their culture is' somthing like that

I've never heard these Black Musicians "glamorize prison and hate"..... :augentreher: (Again Stevy, your stereotyping. Not all black musicians are gangster rappers as all whites are not death metal singers!)

Louis Armstrong
Chuck Berry
Boyz II Men
Ray Charles
Nat King Cole
Miles Davis
Sammy Davis Jr.
Bo Diddley
Fats Domino
Duke Ellington
Ella Fitzgerald
Aretha Franklin
Marvin Gaye
Al Green
Dizzy Gillespie
Herbie Han****
Jimi Hendrix
Billie Holiday
Whitney Houston
Janet Jackson
Quincy Jones
BB King
Wynton Marsalis
Bob Marley
Aaron Nevile
Prince
Otis Redding
Smokey Robinson
Darius Rucker
Will Smith
Tina Turner
Stevie Wonder

[HD MM]

Sounds good. Since BET and MTV are such an accurate reflection of their targeted audiences, lets check out CMT to see how we can fix hillbillies.

LMAO! The more I read of Stevey's the more I'm dumbfounded! :05:

[stevenl]

I didnt say black muscisians I said black music. ala Rap. The majority of the younger black generation listen to rap and could care less about Louis Armstrong. Look at the black films being made that get the most attention/viewers.

Yes you can throw a red hearing and say "well whites did this etc etc" But that ignores the problem we are discussing. If you wish to talk about how to fix white people then lets start that thread. But this thread is about black people.

We also need to fix the hillbillies who watch CMT. (Although I dont recall CMT promoteing raping women and "licking lolipops" At least the majority of country music sends a positive message, allbeit often a sad one.

So we can focus on fixing the backwards hillbillies who mainly are only a problem for themselves. Or we can focus first on fixing the black community/culture which is a danger to EVERYONE.

[Bear Paws]

LMAO! The more I read of Stevey's the more I'm dumbfounded! :05: That's because your a liberal. Your want to divide society by class warfare and in that you historically stereotype blacks into a lower class based on the economics of forced deprivation. Yet on one hand your so concerned with political correctness so as not to offend a minority race by blaming their culture for their station in life but you can't distinguish between the very Racism and Classism that the liberals created to pigeon hole a whole race.. By creating class unrest it gives license, excuses, or condones bad behavior of a race by blaming the economics of class as the cause. Its not.. class is the culture of economics and that can be changed at will..

Steve is talking about a class of people whose entitlement culture tends to be socially disruptive. Those believing the liberal lie of life being zero sum. What others have is because they don't.. So you don't have the right to enjoy that which they don't have.

It happens that this class of the self inflicted helpless the liberals created with their best intentions contain a majority of a minority race whose heretical culture lends to the base culture, lacking what other higher self sufficient economic classes call civility.

[msmith198025]

Bear, I am not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination, and some of the comments he has made have dumbfounded me as well. lol

The latest points he has made have been more understandable. The ones before that not so much. He defended himself from being a racist, yet called the kids a bunch of "rowdy N's" earlier in the thread, and also stated that the white kids probably left because they were afraid their stuff would be stolen (with nothing in the story to indicate that was even remotely the problem). That is a pretty broad generalization, and THAT is why I am dumbfounded.

That said, steve says he is not a racist, I will go with that for now.

[stevenl]

Well the stolen stuff was more a joke then anything.

[msmith198025]

Well the stolen stuff was more a joke then anything.

Gotcha. Oftentimes it is hard to tell intent on a forum, so...

[sniffin aroun]

I'll bet vurb would make the same statements about
not being a racist. so that makes it ok, right steve? :ok-wink:

[stevenl]

I should of included a smilie. But I figured the over the top racisam would of told you it was a joke ;)

My beef is not with blacks. My beef is with Ns.


I think to be racist one has to hate the person simply because of their race. Not because of their actions.

[msmith198025]

I should of included a smilie. But I figured the over the top racisam would of told you it was a joke ;)

My beef is not with blacks. My beef is with Ns.


I think to be racist one has to hate the person simply because of their race. Not because of their actions.



I also have no problem with any race. I have a problem with bad people, their skin color is irrelevant as far as I am concerned.

My whole problem with your outlook here was the generalization without knowing. So if there is no beef with blacks, there should be no beef with these kids, given the information that we have available in the story. Would that not be accurate?

[msmith198025]

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Swim-Club-Members-Nothing-to-Do-With-Race.html

[Derwin0]

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Swim-Club-Members-Nothing-to-Do-With-Race.htmlANd of course we believe them. This has absolutely nothing to do with the State looking in the club, nor the boycotts and protests that are on the way. :rolleyes:

[msmith198025]

ANd of course we believe them. This has absolutely nothing to do with the State looking in the club, nor the boycotts and protests that are on the way. :rolleyes:
Of course....

[stevenl]

Sounds feasible to me. If I paid for a membeship at a private club id be pissed to I had to fight to swim with 65 kids. The club was looking for an easy buck and underestimated the number of people involved.

[msmith198025]

Sounds feasible to me. If I paid for a membeship at a private club id be pissed to I had to fight to swim with 65 kids. The club was looking for an easy buck and underestimated the number of people involved.

They could have said or worded it like that to begin with. After the first excuse, that sounds like a save your ass answer to me

[stevenl]

Well who made the "complexsion" statement?

[msmith198025]

Well who made the "complexsion" statement?

The president of the swim club.


"There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club," John Duesler, President of The Valley Swim Club said in a statement

[Derwin0]

Sounds feasible to me. If I paid for a membeship at a private club id be pissed to I had to fight to swim with 65 kids. The club was looking for an easy buck and underestimated the number of people involved.
Except now some of the club members are refuting the managements claims about overcrowding.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/070909_Valley_Swim_Club_controversy

But a suburban Philadelphia swim member told the Associated Press she didn't see inner-city kids misbehaving at the pool they were later barred from.

Amy Goldman said she has been a member of The Valley Club, located on Tomlinson Road in Lower Moreland Township, for two years. She said the pool wasn't particularly crowded and the children from Creative Steps Day Care were "well behaved and respectful."

[Derwin0]

Saw this one coming...
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Valley-Swim-Club-Welcomes-Campers-Back.html

The Valley Club is offering three day camps, whose contracts to swim at the private swim organization were abruptly cancelled, the chance to come back.
Members of the club's board voted unanimously at a quickly scheduled meeting Sunday afternoon to reinstate contracts allowing children from Creative Steps and two additional camps to once again cool off at the Huntington Valley, Pa. swim club. The club says it will still need to solve issues like safety, but is glad to welcome the children back.Funny how all the "heat" being applied has changed their minds. Personally, if I was the day camps, I'd say "No, Thanks".

[msmith198025]

I would tell them no as well.
Bad press is a bitch huh

[vurbano]

I'll bet vurb would make the same statements about
not being a racist. so that makes it ok, right steve? :ok-wink:

who are you TROLL? Coward in disguise.

[sniffin aroun]

who are you TROLL? Coward in disguise.

:lol-033: :mockery-056: when did you get so sensitive vurb?

[stevenl]

Just another case of white guilt.

Funny the news keeps saying "Mostly Minority kids" They do not point out that more then half were "minorities" But that there was a group of white kids as well.

[Derwin0]

Just another case of white guilt.

Funny the news keeps saying "Mostly Minority kids" They do not point out that more then half were "minorities" But that there was a group of white kids as well.
Yes, there were 2 other groups that got canceled after the first one.
Could it be because they knew they couldn't cancel one without canceling the others?

And the problem must not have been space, as they now say the clubs can come back. Did the pool magically get bigger?

From what I've seen here on the news, the club manager didn't want to cancel the groups, but the board overruled him and canceled the contracts. The same board now is reversing it's decision since the commonwealth has opened an investigation.

[stevenl]

It wasnt just the space it was the timing. As members were not told and those who were there to use the club that day, were pissed off because the pool was not full of 65 kids when they just wanted a relaxing day at the club.

The club handled the whole thing poorly. Sure.

Also the white kids I mentioned were apart of the same day care. But yes you are correct that 2 other day cares were also cancelled.