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vurbano
April 10th, 2009, 11:02 AM
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-will-still-push-amnesty-as-a-top-priority


Obama Wants Illegal Aliens Amnesty By Fall









From New York Times:






April 9, 2009

By JULIA PRESTON

While acknowledging that the recession makes the political battle more difficult, President Obama plans to begin addressing the country’s immigration system this year, including looking for a path for illegal immigrants to become legal, a senior administration official said on Wednesday.



Mr. Obama will frame the new effort — likely to rouse passions on all sides of the highly divisive issue — as “policy reform that controls immigration and makes it an orderly system,” said the official, Cecilia Muñoz, deputy assistant to the president and director of intergovernmental affairs in the White House.



Mr. Obama plans to speak publicly about the issue in May, administration officials said, and over the summer he will convene working groups, including lawmakers from both parties and a range of immigration groups, to begin discussing possible legislation for as early as this fall.



Some White House officials said that immigration would not take precedence over the health care and energy proposals that Mr. Obama has identified as priorities. But the timetable is consistent with pledges Mr. Obama made to Hispanic groups in last year’s campaign.



He said then that comprehensive immigration legislation, including a plan to make legal status possible for an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants, would be a priority in his first year in office. Latino voters turned out strongly for Mr. Obama in the election…



Opponents, mainly Republicans, say they will seek to mobilize popular outrage against any effort to legalize unauthorized immigrant workers while so many Americans are out of jobs…



Debate is still under way among administration officials about the precise timing and strategy. For example, it is unclear who will take up the Obama initiative in Congress…



The White House is calculating that public support for fixing the immigration system, which is widely acknowledged to be broken, will outweigh opposition from voters who argue that immigrants take jobs from Americans…



Administration officials said that Mr. Obama’s plan would not add new workers to the American work force, but that it would recognize millions of illegal immigrants who have already been working here. Despite the deep recession, there is no evidence of any wholesale exodus of illegal immigrant workers, independent studies of census data show…



In broad outlines, officials said, the Obama administration favors legislation that would bring illegal immigrants into the legal system by recognizing that they violated the law, and imposing fines and other penalties to fit the offense. The legislation would seek to prevent future illegal immigration by strengthening border enforcement and cracking down on employers who hire illegal immigrants, while creating a national system for verifying the legal immigration status of new workers.



But administration officials emphasized that many details remained to be debated…



Anticipating opposition, Mr. Obama has sought to shift some of the political burden to advocates for immigrants, by encouraging them to build support among voters for when his proposal goes to Congress…



Of course we expected this no matter which of our two media anointed candidate won the Presidency.



Still, given the minor detail that a vast majority of the American citizenry vehemently oppose amnesty for illegal aliens, it still comes as a bitter pill.



But that is what comes of foolishly believing we still have a representative government.



And by the way, New York Times, the opposition to this isn’t just about jobs.




Mr. Obama has sought to shift some of the political burden to advocates for immigrants, by encouraging them to build support among voters for when his proposal goes to Congress.

In other words, Mr. Obama wants more illegal aliens demonstrating in the streets in the hopes that the threat of the mob will scare Americans into accepting this amnesty anyway.

What a great statesman he is.

Such a great ‘unifier.’

Bob Haller
April 10th, 2009, 01:16 PM
we need them for the low pay grunt work. the alternative is food poroduction moving overseas.

do you really want the trade deficit worse? and foreign countries able to cut off our food?

vurbano
April 10th, 2009, 02:21 PM
we need them for the low pay grunt work. the alternative is food poroduction moving overseas.

do you really want the trade deficit worse? and foreign countries able to cut off our food?the affects on our social programs far outweigh your hysterics.

Bob Haller
April 10th, 2009, 09:32 PM
the affects on our social programs far outweigh your hysterics.

what effects most illegals keep a low profile to avoid getting deported.

Carl
April 11th, 2009, 10:22 AM
we need them for the low pay grunt work. the alternative is food poroduction moving overseas.

do you really want the trade deficit worse? and foreign countries able to cut off our food?

agreed. How that is not obvious to all I don't get.

msmith198025
April 11th, 2009, 10:25 AM
we need them for the low pay grunt work. the alternative is food poroduction moving overseas.



There are people here to do it Bob. Many of them. They simply can not get these jobs because illegals have them in many case

froggigger
April 11th, 2009, 11:08 AM
agreed. How that is not obvious to all I don't get.

Government doesn't care if illegals take jobs, or use welfare, or any of the other things they claim are problems with illegals being here. The real problem the government has with illegals is that they don't have the power to tax people they don't know about. The people may complain about perceived problems but government does nothing to address their concerns unless it will gain votes.

As usual, government talks out of both sides of its mouth on the issue. They realize that a basic economic principle is in play. Despite the varied costs of illegal immigration, people are capital. Every illegal represents a very real unit of capital. More people means more capital whether the people are illegal or not. They still play a part in economic stimulation by spending money, the same money that the Feds want a part of. Illegals pay sales taxes, etc. but the government wants its share in the form of income taxes and payroll taxes. That's the only thing government is really concerned about.

That's why Obama and many other politicians want to make the illegals that are already here legal. Government wants more of their money just like they want more of everyone else's money. That's what should be obvious.

Bear Paws
April 11th, 2009, 01:13 PM
Government doesn't care if illegals take jobs, or use welfare, or any of the other things they claim are problems with illegals being here. The real problem the government has with illegals is that they don't have the power to tax people they don't know about. The people may complain about perceived problems but government does nothing to address their concerns unless it will gain votes.

As usual, government talks out of both sides of its mouth on the issue. They realize that a basic economic principle is in play. Despite the varied costs of illegal immigration, people are capital. Every illegal represents a very real unit of capital. More people means more capital whether the people are illegal or not. They still play a part in economic stimulation by spending money, the same money that the Feds want a part of. Illegals pay sales taxes, etc. but the government wants its share in the form of income taxes and payroll taxes. That's the only thing government is really concerned about.

That's why Obama and many other politicians want to make the illegals that are already here legal. Government wants more of their money just like they want more of everyone else's money. That's what should be obvious.
Boy... the nail is sure sorry it stuck its head up. Bang!!!!...:thumbup:

msmith198025
April 11th, 2009, 01:23 PM
Illegals pay sales taxes, etc. but the government wants its share in the form of income taxes and payroll taxes. That's the only thing government is really concerned about.

That's why Obama and many other politicians want to make the illegals that are already here legal. Government wants more of their money just like they want more of everyone else's money. That's what should be obvious.
EXACTLY:thumbup:

Bob Haller
April 11th, 2009, 01:33 PM
going to a national sales tax would be easier for americas encourage savings and cut adminstrative cost for most.

easier to poice jusat businesses than every american.

even visitors to mour country would pay

fallout2600
April 11th, 2009, 05:19 PM
I wonder if this will result in political suicide for Obama? How is he going to convince Americans that amnesty is the right thing to do?

Bear Paws
April 11th, 2009, 10:38 PM
I wonder if this will result in political suicide for Obama? How is he going to convince Americans that amnesty is the right thing to do?
He won't ask nor listen. Just do it. He won ...remember.:rolleyes: